All Blacks vs Argentina I
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Some very absurd takes in this thread about various players.
I think the biggest issue with the ABs tonight was their mental fortitude in those last 20 minutes - but a lot of that comes down to experience. Taylor, Savea, Perenara and Barrett all have ample games under their belt but two of those four weren't on in the final quarter and Savea is below his best at the moment and saddled with the captaincy, which doesn't seem to suit him. This is a team that's lost Coles, Whitelock, Retallick, Barrett, Cane etc etc so it's no surprise wonder they struggled a bit compared to the experienced line-up that Argentina were able to call on (particularly in the forwards).
The All Blacks actually created plenty of good opportunities - look at the well-constructed tries they scored. The Pumas' scores were far more opportunistic and the bounce of the ball went their way, coupled with a few one-off errors from NZ players. A loss is still a loss but play that game again and I'm sure it goes a different way - I suppose we'll see next week.
I think Darry performed well (though I'm a bit surprised at how many plaudits he's received - try aside, Vaa'i was the better lock on the park throughout the game) which is great for NZ's depth.
Big questions still remain over the loose forwards. Cane isn't the long-term answer at 7 obviously but he's probably the right option for the rest of the Rugby Champs. Maybe a Finau, Cane, Savea trio will feature next week.
I think we saw once again why Ratima should be starting over Perenara (although hard to say who should be the bench option, given neither Perenara nor Hotham can give the team the quick delivery they need).
ALB probably didn't take his chance at 13 and I suspect Ioane will be back in the jersey for the rest of the tournament. 12 remains an issue - maybe just a mindset change needed for Barrett? As others have noted, he's got the size but seemingly not using it very effectively...
Aye, glaring lack of leadership and composure in last quarter.
At 65 if RD goes off for Sititi and Paps takes over captaincy we win that. -
Ryan said at halftime the carry and clean needed to be better.
Which is correct
But their selections and game plan are a huge reason why it's a problem
They pick a pack lacking in ball runners
They pick a 9 whose slow and inconsistent service only hurts the carry clean.
They have an attacking game plan that frankly is predictable. Not nearly enough variations. Where are the pick and goes. Where are the players with support right next to them to clean etc etc
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Jailbreak7 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Having just watched the Dame power to victory in the K1, the only conclusion left is that we must clone her at once and slot the clones in to replace the current crop of shoddy ABs.
100%. She’s our greatest Olympian of all time. Even some of our ABs would be jealous of her guns.
Not really. Our GOAT had pretty shit guns when you saw him next to Kaino, Messam, JC etc.
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Razor is clearly not international standard as a coach. What’s Eddie Jones’ buyout for Japan?
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It's not ruthless enough at the moment. Too collegiate.
Lads heading off to Japan keeping their place, lads just back from sabatticals swanning in.
Even the talk of Mo'unga being the white knight. He can fuck off. Back of the queue is over there son.
Documentaries, social media, playing flag footie in the USA against Fiji.
The Irish will give us another hiding over there next year, while we spend the week taking photos with baseball players.
That game should be given to Taranaki, or Hamilton etcWe have disappeared up our own arses and the brand that is being milked for all its worth was built by better men than the current crop of players, coaches and administrators.
They all want to be "Money Mayweather" without putting in the initial graft to be 40-0 Pretty Boy Floyd.
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The captaincy was so important that it was literally the winning and losing of this game.
65 minutes, "Ok boys, we are doing pick n goes. Lets go" -
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Vaa'i was the better lock on the park throughout
The biggest impact he had in the whole game was when he knocked Taylor out of the way for one of the penalties in front of the posts for the Argies. I was amazed to actually see him shift another body, hidden talent that guy.
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Jet 💯I've been posting on and off here for twenty years.
I don't think I've read a better post than that.
I hope someone influential in NZ rugby gets to read every single word of that. Thank you!
Nah bro. Following this advice will win you games and restore the fear of playing the ABs but at what cost? Just end up being villains in another movie featuring Matt Damon as a great bok loosie and an improbable Morgan Freeman playing a unifying South African leader in a green and gold six jersey.
Can’t squander the social media clout from performative shed cleaning on something as cheap as winning.
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@Jet you talk about 2015 stability, but how long did it take to get to that sort of stability? At least 3-4 years.
We are wanting stability when we’ve had another big exodus and that next crop are still very much inexperienced or haven’t been entrusted with the keys (yet).
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
The captaincy was so important that it was literally the winning and losing of this game.
65 minutes, "Ok boys, we are doing pick n goes. Lets go"Absolutely. I want a "Follow me boys, into the fire!" with a "let's keep our heads" attitude
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Jet you talk about 2015 stability, but how long did it take to get to that sort of stability? At least 3-4 years.
We are wanting stability when we’ve had another big exodus and that next crop are still very much inexperienced or haven’t been entrusted with the keys (yet).
Stability not just in selection, but in philosophy, in principles. If you are going or coming back from a sabbatical then you should be on the outer, unless you are in the McCaw or Carter bracket of player.
They all think they are entitled to it now. Some of them are seeing out their golden years in the bloody black jersey (Beaudy) akin to Bob Dylan still touring, but not playing any of the old hits.Its simple. Get a 6 at 6, a fullback at fullback etc.
One week its Finau, one week its Blackadder, one week its Jacobsen etc.
When a guy goes down injured the next cab off the rank should be obvious to the coaches and fans. But it isnt.
Instead its jiggery pokery the whole time. Papalii gets hooked today, Blackadder moves to 7 and Sititi goes to 6. Two changes for the price of one. I wouldnt be surprised to see Scooter back at 6 at this stage.
All of the players are being done a disservice like this. And it has been going on for about 6 years.
Rieko Ioane should be out on the left wing and retired as soon as his legs are gone. Instead he is masquerading as a centre.
Beaudy is the ten, no he's the fullback, but comes into the line to interchange with Richie when he wants to be the ten, no now he will stay at 15 and give the keys solely to Mo'unga, now hes gone to Japan, oh now he's back.
ALB is a 12, then a 13, then in exile, now he's the 13 again.
ALB has 71 caps!!!!! Beaudy has 125!!!!!
It is preposterous.
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@Jet everything you have described has happened before in the ABs. And with pretty successful teams.
Gibbes and Collins from week to week. Not the same player or approach to a game by any stretch.
Rodders to Lauaki from week to week. Very different number 8’s that offer strengths not aligned to a single philosophy of play.
I just don’t think it’s panic stations just yet.
Also welcome to the Fern (if you are indeed a newbie….)
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Jet everything you have described has happened before in the ABs. And with pretty successful teams.
Gibbes and Collins from week to week. Not the same player or approach to a game by any stretch.
Rodders to Lauaki from week to week. Very different number 8’s that offer strengths not aligned to a single philosophy of play.
I just don’t think it’s panic stations just yet.
Also welcome to the Fern (if you are indeed a newbie….)
We have had Frizell, Finau, Jacobsen, Blackadder at 6 in our last 5 games.
Meanwhile the super rugby winning 6 is at home scratching his bollox.
While I do take your point...is it not fair to say that the allblack selection policy is akin to a Jackson Pollock painting over the last few years? Just fucking shit at a wall and seeing what sticks.
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@Tordah said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
the good thing about the ABs slowly having become a good instead of an incredible team (circa 2010-2016) is that losses don't take an emotional toll on my well being anymore. Another loss? no problem, I'll go back to pretending rugby doesn't exist
Yeah thanks Fozzie, was able to plumb the utility room instead of sitting around in a stupor.
