All Blacks vs England 2
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@frugby The fern logic, the less you play, the higher you get rated.
Man, this forum is crazy. We're in a transition period and things will take time getting used to. Like yeah, players had indifferent nights, but if it were up to people on Here, we'd make about 13 changes a test just to get peoples favourites in. They're still finding their feet and getting used to things under a nee coaching system. It always seems to be the same parochial bias as well which clouds everyone's judgement.
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2 nil series victory against a good team. Argentina games will be invaluable before playing South Africa.
Would love to see us use more robust ball carrying and recycling.
Six, lock, and lineout biggest concerns. Need to find a better option than Finau. Maybe play Tuipulotu for 40 and have him carry a lot?
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@frugby The fern logic, the less you play, the higher you get rated.
Man, this forum is crazy. We're in a transition period and things will take time getting used to. Like yeah, players had indifferent nights, but if it were up to people on Here, we'd make about 13 changes a test just to get peoples favourites in. They're still finding their feet and getting used to things under a nee coaching system. It always seems to be the same parochial bias as well which clouds everyone's judgement.
Yes but people on here can be astute and see stuff that make a difference.
JB to mid field from wing took an eternity,
Ratima - DMac was always going to be
optimal.
Ioane in combo with the two current wings isn't setting the world on fire.
And it's obvious the loose forward combo isn't gelling.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@frugby The fern logic, the less you play, the higher you get rated.
Man, this forum is crazy. We're in a transition period and things will take time getting used to. Like yeah, players had indifferent nights, but if it were up to people on Here, we'd make about 13 changes a test just to get peoples favourites in. They're still finding their feet and getting used to things under a nee coaching system. It always seems to be the same parochial bias as well which clouds everyone's judgement.
I hear what you say, but in the last 2-3 years the rules have been:
- If a player has a bad night or makes a mistake - blame the coach for selecting him
- If a team needs to find its feet - blame the coach for poor preparation
- If the ABs lose - blame the coach for not selecting the team the Fern wants
- If a selection doesn't come off - blame the coach for getting it wrong
- If a Fern selection doesn't come off - still blame the coach for getting it wrong
I think that's it...
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We won two tests we could have lost. And, dare I say it, would have lost under foster. 2 weeks in a row the subs have been made at the perfect time.
Rewind to RWC squad selection and heaps of people moaning about Finau being left out for frizzell. Think foster got that one right. Needs to up his work rate and impact.
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks vs England 2:
And, dare I say it, would have lost under foster.
Imagine the excuses after the first inevitable loss under Robertson will be something like "the losing margin would have been worse under foster".
Let's move on.
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Another win...winning under these circumstances provides much more benefit to the team now and going forward than a thumping.
Was interesting listening to an English guy that plays club rugby here after last week, saying how good of a game it was despite the low score - IMO just emphasized how our expectations of how much we win by seems more important than winning.
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I would say under the circumstances that was Beauden Barretts best game for the All Blacks.
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Take out Scott, Jordie and Beauden we would have lost.
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Looking back now it’s done and dusted
The most pleasing factor despite the imperfections , we found a way to win which has always been an allblack quality
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Long may this continue
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@frugby The fern logic, the less you play, the higher you get rated.
Man, this forum is crazy. We're in a transition period and things will take time getting used to. Like yeah, players had indifferent nights, but if it were up to people on Here, we'd make about 13 changes a test just to get peoples favourites in. They're still finding their feet and getting used to things under a nee coaching system. It always seems to be the same parochial bias as well which clouds everyone's judgement.
Yes but people on here can be astute and see stuff that make a difference.
JB to mid field from wing took an eternity,
Ratima - DMac was always going to be
optimal.
Ioane in combo with the two current wings isn't setting the world on fire.
And it's obvious the loose forward combo isn't gelling.
At least try players out as in game replacementsJordie to midfield from wing? He last played wing in 2020? He was also a world class fullback too.
Yeah, we all called for Ratima to come on when he did (myself included) and h came and sped the game up against a tiring English side, just what was needed. He was gonna be bought on regardless, what's the big deal?
Reece and Telea? Yeah they had their bad moments, but some good moments too. The Cantabs on here are watching Telea like a hawk and are gonna criticise him for anything whilst defending their boys to no end which influences opinion, they didn't say anything however when Reece made mistakes. Both came through alright, pass marks at least.
The loose trio isn't working? It's their 2nd test together. Papali'i had a great test. Savea and Finau weren't poor, they were just ineffective. Maybe give them a but of time to gel before making wholesale changes. Sometimes playing in a new system takes time to adjust too.
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@taniwharugby England didn't win a test in New Zealand but they are building nicely on and off the field. I think they are easily going to be in the top 4 or 5 sides in the world in the next few years and if they can sort out their scrum and improve their bench, the sky's the limit.
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@taniwharugby England didn't win a test in New Zealand but they are building nicely on and off the field. I think they are easily going to be in the top 4 or 5 sides in the world in the next few years and if they can sort out their scrum and improve their bench, the sky's the limit.
Pretty sure England was #5 after RWC and still is.
Sounds like some of the fern expected 20+point win with flawless execution...
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@Daffy-Jaffy Steve Borthwick very impressive there. I thought his line about not putting limits on his team was a good one.
