All Blacks vs England 2
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Beauden started his career off the bench as a world class impact player. He could be very good for us at this stage if his career closing games coming on fresh with 20 to go.
That one kick fucked me right off, but apart from that he was magic - looked like BB from 9 years ago. Maybe a 23 jersey will give him the capability to influence the game using his strengths late in the game.
He's really very similar to Savea. Both have been the best player in the world based on their Super form, but there is always a question about whether their magic needs 80 minutes or is better condensed into 30-35 minutes against tiring legs (at least, at International level).
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@Frank said in All Blacks vs England 2:
We have no loose forward ball carrier, and England had two in Cunningham-Smith and Earls.
I'd bench Savea to cover 7 and 8 to be used as an impact player and start Sititi at 8
Papalii is an 80 minute player.
6??? - Blackadder or VaiiI was thinking Savea could be dynamite off the bench. He tends to explode then get buried. And we need better lineout options.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Beauden started his career off the bench as a world class impact player. He could be very good for us at this stage if his career closing games coming on fresh with 20 to go.
That one kick fucked me right off, but apart from that he was magic - looked like BB from 9 years ago. Maybe a 23 jersey will give him the capability to influence the game using his strengths late in the game.
He's really very similar to Savea. Both have been the best player in the world based on their Super form, but there is always a question about whether their magic needs 80 minutes or is better condensed into 30-35 minutes against tiring legs (at least, at International level).
Seems to me BB has lost that crazy instant speed but is still fast enough for 10 and serviceable at 15. And I suspect his last season's final AB games he was a bit more ginger/carrying niggles but that is no longer an issue. So he is paying back their confidence in his selection. Off the bench again he is a genuine asset.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Blackadder really does improve every time he gets injured... not quite sure how you can confidently say he is going to be the answer... telling he playing openside for the Crusaders.
A loose trio of Blackadder, Papalii and Savea would be bullied for a lack of size.
Who is bigger? Every loose forward in the country including Sotutu, etc. Exactly the same size.
Except Finau.
Papalii doesn't seem bullied that often, isn't exactly a twig.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Blackadder really does improve every time he gets injured... not quite sure how you can confidently say he is going to be the answer... telling he playing openside for the Crusaders.
A loose trio of Blackadder, Papalii and Savea would be bullied for a lack of size.
Who is bigger? Every loose forward in the country including Sotutu, etc. Exactly the same size.
Except Finau.
Papalii doesn't seem bullied that often, isn't exactly a twig.
Also bigger, but is our 7.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Blackadder really does improve every time he gets injured... not quite sure how you can confidently say he is going to be the answer... telling he playing openside for the Crusaders.
A loose trio of Blackadder, Papalii and Savea would be bullied for a lack of size.
Who is bigger? Every loose forward in the country including Sotutu, etc. Exactly the same size.
Except Finau.
Papalii doesn't seem bullied that often, isn't exactly a twig.
Also bigger, but is our 7.
Yet, Rassie has followed our lead, with a pilfering 8 but munter 6 and 7s. Anyway, I think Finau will be very good but needs time. Papalii continues to grow, Blackadder is the most natural, but is always broken.
Sotutu will be in the squad later but he tends to go missing when the heavy lifting is needed (see the Brumbies semi- I am sure that was a factor). -
Razor could be a villain in a batman flick
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Look, I see your argument, except it still boils down to Blackadder being able to fulfill the same role as PSTD.
Kwagga / Savea
Kolisi / Papalii
PSDT / BlackadderOne of those pairs is not at all like the other.
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@frugby The fern logic, the less you play, the higher you get rated.
Man, this forum is crazy. We're in a transition period and things will take time getting used to. Like yeah, players had indifferent nights, but if it were up to people on Here, we'd make about 13 changes a test just to get peoples favourites in. They're still finding their feet and getting used to things under a nee coaching system. It always seems to be the same parochial bias as well which clouds everyone's judgement.
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2 nil series victory against a good team. Argentina games will be invaluable before playing South Africa.
Would love to see us use more robust ball carrying and recycling.
Six, lock, and lineout biggest concerns. Need to find a better option than Finau. Maybe play Tuipulotu for 40 and have him carry a lot?
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@frugby The fern logic, the less you play, the higher you get rated.
Man, this forum is crazy. We're in a transition period and things will take time getting used to. Like yeah, players had indifferent nights, but if it were up to people on Here, we'd make about 13 changes a test just to get peoples favourites in. They're still finding their feet and getting used to things under a nee coaching system. It always seems to be the same parochial bias as well which clouds everyone's judgement.
Yes but people on here can be astute and see stuff that make a difference.
JB to mid field from wing took an eternity,
Ratima - DMac was always going to be
optimal.
Ioane in combo with the two current wings isn't setting the world on fire.
And it's obvious the loose forward combo isn't gelling.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@frugby The fern logic, the less you play, the higher you get rated.
Man, this forum is crazy. We're in a transition period and things will take time getting used to. Like yeah, players had indifferent nights, but if it were up to people on Here, we'd make about 13 changes a test just to get peoples favourites in. They're still finding their feet and getting used to things under a nee coaching system. It always seems to be the same parochial bias as well which clouds everyone's judgement.
I hear what you say, but in the last 2-3 years the rules have been:
- If a player has a bad night or makes a mistake - blame the coach for selecting him
- If a team needs to find its feet - blame the coach for poor preparation
- If the ABs lose - blame the coach for not selecting the team the Fern wants
- If a selection doesn't come off - blame the coach for getting it wrong
- If a Fern selection doesn't come off - still blame the coach for getting it wrong
I think that's it...
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We won two tests we could have lost. And, dare I say it, would have lost under foster. 2 weeks in a row the subs have been made at the perfect time.
Rewind to RWC squad selection and heaps of people moaning about Finau being left out for frizzell. Think foster got that one right. Needs to up his work rate and impact.
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks vs England 2:
And, dare I say it, would have lost under foster.
Imagine the excuses after the first inevitable loss under Robertson will be something like "the losing margin would have been worse under foster".
Let's move on.
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Another win...winning under these circumstances provides much more benefit to the team now and going forward than a thumping.
Was interesting listening to an English guy that plays club rugby here after last week, saying how good of a game it was despite the low score - IMO just emphasized how our expectations of how much we win by seems more important than winning.
