All Blacks vs England I

Victor Meldrew

Pretty much spot on.

I'd swap Ratima for Christie. May be throwing him in the deep end, but he has the combination with DMac and I think Christie stinks starting a game. I'd also have Telea over Perofeta. Jordie or Reece can cover 15.

pakman

If Savea had to go off, who would be natural replacement? One could argue that Jacobson provides more cover.

foobaNZ

@Canes4life not sure if it'll be a top Fiji XV but I'd be a bit wary of throwing second stringers out tbh. Maybe some subtle changes but not wholesale.

Canes4life

@foobaNZ said in All Blacks vs England I:

@Canes4life not sure if it'll be a top Fiji XV but I'd be a bit wary of throwing second stringers out tbh. Maybe some subtle changes but not wholesale.

You wouldn't be stupid about it but guys like Proctor need opportunity against teams like Fiji in the first instance. If injuries strike before the RC you wouldn't want players to go in cold against harder opposition so giving them time against Fiji is a must. I would start Aumua and bring Bell off the bench for example. I would start Proctor outside Barrett to give him that familiarity. Bringing other new guys like Tosi and Sititi off the bench aswell wouldn't be a bad move once the game is dead and buried.

MN5

@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs England I:

@foobaNZ said in All Blacks vs England I:

@Canes4life not sure if it'll be a top Fiji XV but I'd be a bit wary of throwing second stringers out tbh. Maybe some subtle changes but not wholesale.

You wouldn't be stupid about it but guys like Proctor need opportunity against teams like Fiji in the first instance. If injuries strike before the RC you wouldn't want players to go in cold against harder opposition so giving them time against Fiji is a must. I would start Aumua and bring Bell off the bench for example. I would start Proctor outside Barrett to give him that familiarity. Bringing other new guys like Tosi and Sititi off the bench aswell wouldn't be a bad move once the game is dead and buried.

Calm the farm pal. Fiji aren’t the easy beats they used to be.

Canes4life

@MN5 they definitely aren't a team you'd expect to put 100 points on like before, but I'd expect us to win by 30 odd.

canefan

Unfortunately I will be on a family holiday in Singapore for both of the England tests. Do any of you Ferners know where the game might be shown over there? I'm sure there will be an expat bar somewhere

Bones

@canefan said in All Blacks vs England I:

Unfortunately I will be on a family holiday in Singapore for both of the England tests. Do any of you Ferners know where the game might be shown over there? I'm sure there will be an expat bar somewhere

Reckon Google english sports bars in singapore

canefan

@Bones said in All Blacks vs England I:

@canefan said in All Blacks vs England I:

Unfortunately I will be on a family holiday in Singapore for both of the England tests. Do any of you Ferners know where the game might be shown over there? I'm sure there will be an expat bar somewhere

Reckon Google english sports bars in singapore

Great, I'll have to sit with that lot. Ugh

Tim

@canefan There's probably an aussie sports bar too.

Frank

@MN5 said in All Blacks vs England I:

@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs England I:

@foobaNZ said in All Blacks vs England I:

@Canes4life not sure if it'll be a top Fiji XV but I'd be a bit wary of throwing second stringers out tbh. Maybe some subtle changes but not wholesale.

You wouldn't be stupid about it but guys like Proctor need opportunity against teams like Fiji in the first instance. If injuries strike before the RC you wouldn't want players to go in cold against harder opposition so giving them time against Fiji is a must. I would start Aumua and bring Bell off the bench for example. I would start Proctor outside Barrett to give him that familiarity. Bringing other new guys like Tosi and Sititi off the bench aswell wouldn't be a bad move once the game is dead and buried.

Calm the farm pal. Fiji aren’t the easy beats they used to be.

True. They're no Scotland anymore.

MN5

@Frank said in All Blacks vs England I:

@MN5 said in All Blacks vs England I:

@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs England I:

@foobaNZ said in All Blacks vs England I:

@Canes4life not sure if it'll be a top Fiji XV but I'd be a bit wary of throwing second stringers out tbh. Maybe some subtle changes but not wholesale.

You wouldn't be stupid about it but guys like Proctor need opportunity against teams like Fiji in the first instance. If injuries strike before the RC you wouldn't want players to go in cold against harder opposition so giving them time against Fiji is a must. I would start Aumua and bring Bell off the bench for example. I would start Proctor outside Barrett to give him that familiarity. Bringing other new guys like Tosi and Sititi off the bench aswell wouldn't be a bad move once the game is dead and buried.

Calm the farm pal. Fiji aren’t the easy beats they used to be.

True. They're no Scotland anymore.

The Scots are considerate, they haven’t toured here since 2000 cos they don’t want to embarrass the ABs and add another unwanted record to the ledger.

Snowy

@canefan said in All Blacks vs England I:

Great, I'll have to sit with that lot. Ugh

Was usually easy to find the rugby on in Singapore. They difficult bit will be your aversion to who you are surrounded by...

dogmeat

@canefan Boomerang at Robertsons Quay will definitely show it.

canefan

@Snowy said in All Blacks vs England I:

@canefan said in All Blacks vs England I:

Great, I'll have to sit with that lot. Ugh

Was usually easy to find the rugby on in Singapore. They difficult bit will be your aversion to who you are surrounded by...

haha, I was being silly. Sat behind some england supporters at the losing SF in Yokohama, they were perfectly nice. A quick google search suggests I will be spoilt for choice near where I am staying (Clarke Quay)

antipodean

@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs England I:

So as the dust settles on the first ABs squad of the year, who is in the 23 to play the first test against England. I think Razor will select the following:

De Groot

Taylor

Lomax

Barrett (C)

Tuipolotu

Finau

Papali'i

Savea (VC)

Christie

McKenzie

Clarke

Barrett (VC)

Ioane

Reece

Barrett

Aumua

Williams/Tu'ungafasi

Newell

Vaa'i

Blackadder

Ratima

Perofeta (yuck)

ALB

Pending injury in camp, I'd say you're on the money.

It will be interesting to see what differences they attempt to instil from the Fozzie era.

Chris B.

Halfback will be pretty interesting.

I can see a case for any of the three starting.

Most likely Christie or Perenara on the bench - I'd either start the rookie in tandem with his Super partner or let him sit this one out.

Kiwiwomble

@antipodean said in All Blacks vs England I:

@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs England I:

So as the dust settles on the first ABs squad of the year, who is in the 23 to play the first test against England. I think Razor will select the following:

De Groot

Taylor

Lomax

Barrett (C)

Tuipolotu

Finau

Papali'i

Savea (VC)

Christie

McKenzie

Clarke

Barrett (VC)

Ioane

Reece

Barrett

Aumua

Williams/Tu'ungafasi

Newell

Vaa'i

Blackadder

Ratima

Perofeta (yuck)

ALB

Pending injury in camp, I'd say you're on the money.

It will be interesting to see what differences they attempt to instil from the Fozzie era.

probably right but if we have what is a very establish backline like that....id like to have proctor on the bench

Frank

@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs England I:

So as the dust settles on the first ABs squad of the year, who is in the 23 to play the first test against England. I think Razor will select the following:

De Groot

Taylor

Lomax

Barrett (C)

Tuipolotu

Finau

~~Papali'i~~ Blackadder

Savea (VC)

~~Christie~~ Ratima

McKenzie

Clarke

Barrett (VC)

Ioane

Reece

Barrett

Aumua

Williams/Tu'ungafasi

Newell

Vaa'i

~~Blackadder~~ Papalii

~~Ratima~~ Perenara

Perofeta (yuck)

ALB

nzzp

NZ paying $1.12 at the TAB.

I think England are a better shot than that in the first test

The Silver Fern

All Blacks vs England I