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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Catogrande" data-cid="602572" data-time="1470151688"><p>
This also from Wiki in regard to Hughes:-<br><br>
"In 2009, Hughes was scouted by <a class="bbc_url" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelston_Boys'_High_School">Kelston Boys' High School</a>'s Athens Henare, the head of department for P.E for Kelston, when they toured Fiji in 2008."<br><br>
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Your point Cato?<br><br>
Being scouted for a school does not disqualify him for his country. Sure it COULD have led to a international level poaching but didn't. <br><br>
However him being scouted by an English club did ....<br><br>
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<p>Can be and has been before, and might actually be now.</p>
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<p>Ummm....when?</p>
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The Junior All Blacks are considered New Zealand's 'second XV' after the Test side, with no age or genealogy restrictions other than the player being eligible for international selection.</blockquote>
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<p>Your point Cato?<br><br>
Being scouted for a school does not disqualify him for his country. Sure it COULD have led to a international level poaching but didn't.<br><br>
However him being scouted by an English club did ....<br><br>
Hmmmm</p>
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<p>I guess my point Booboo is that when he was scouted by a school it was a blatant poach to improve the rugby credentials of the school. This is a school, you know, a learning establishment. Being scouted by a club when you are a professional rugby player is simply business. I'm not trying to say that either is an attempt to poach the player for national selection but one is a simple by product of the business that rugby is and of course part and parcel of allowing people to ply their trade wherever they may wish to. The other is just an attempt to make the school's rugby side more successful.</p>
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<p>That's a bit facile Bones. Why him? Why not anyone else? Because he was a stand out rugby player, that's why.</p>
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<p>Out of interest vis-a-vis the poaching debate - came across this page that lists all ABs born overseas. I'd be very interested to see a similar page for other international teams. </p> -
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<p>How do we know it was just him?</p>
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<p>A fair point, more so if you could lead me to a link that shows that particular school offering scholarships to many other non-rugby related pupils from Fiji. The Wiki reference left it in no doubt though that it was rugby related pure and simple in this instance. That is to further the school's ambitions, nothing more.</p> -
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<p>A fair point, more so if you could lead me to a link that shows that particular school offering scholarships to many other non-rugby related pupils from Fiji. The Wiki reference left it in no doubt though that it was rugby related pure and simple in this instance. That is to further the school's ambitions, nothing more.</p>
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<p>Really not bothered and don't see it as an issue...</p>
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<p>I absolutely get that. It's no big deal really. I find it a bit off, you and many others don't. On the one hand it's great that Hughes got a bloody good education, on the other hand (to me anyway) it was not exactly altruistic from the school. An argument can be put forward that whatever the skill set of a pupil, the schools only court the best examples and this is no different. </p>
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Well as I went to high school in NZ, I definitely know there were scholarships available to plenty of people from all walks. I went to a pretty good rugby school and I only recall one half decent rugby player from overseas (Fiji as it happens) on a scholarship (I think) and he maybe made the 2nd xv at best. <br><br>
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<p>Stalker.</p>
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<p>Why does that message no longer tell me where it came from?</p>
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<p>I'm in my safe room and I'm heavily armed you fucker....</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Chris B." data-cid="602790" data-time="1470215174"><p>Why does that message no longer tell me where it came from?<br><br>
I'm in my safe room and I'm heavily armed you fucker....<br><br>
%% && befucked....bang...&***</p></blockquote>
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<p>cos when he is standing outside your house, it doesnt need to....</p>
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<p>Why does that message no longer tell me where it came from?</p>
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<p>I'm in my safe room and I'm heavily armed you fucker....</p>
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<p>%% && befucked....bang...&***</p>
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I guess my point Booboo is that when he was scouted by a school it was a blatant poach to improve the rugby credentials of the school. This is a school, you know, a learning establishment. Being scouted by a club when you are a professional rugby player is simply business. I'm not trying to say that either is an attempt to poach the player for national selection but one is a simple by product of the business that rugby is and of course part and parcel of allowing people to ply their trade wherever they may wish to. The other is just an attempt to make the school's rugby side more successful.<br><br>
As i say, nothing to do with poaching at an international level but the school thing leaves a nasty taste for me.</p></blockquote>
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