England to whitewash Australia

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the least of their worries. the poms are not committing to the breakdown so there is no space out wide for a passing centre to exploit.

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NTA - whats the Aussie view on the Kerevi / Kuridrani partnership?
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 Depends which franchise they support. :) 
Most Tahs fans are OK with them I think, and just want the forwards to work harder, while the back line could be a bit smarter. 
Most Brumbies fans want Toomua and Lilo into 10 & 12 immediately. And Stirzaker at 9, because they don't have White any more, and hate Phipps. 
Most Reds fans think it's all Foley's fault and he should be replaced immediately with Quade. The rest of the Reds fans think it's mostly Phipps' fault and he should be replaced with Frisby, if not Genia. 
The Rebels fans want Hodge to have a go at 12. 
The Force fans mostly sit in the corner, mouthing obscenities at their ex-coach, and everything east of the Nullabor. 
A few of the crazies want wholesale changes and miracle teams with players out of position everywhere. 
None of it will matter a week from now. Cheika has made what I consider some puzzling selections. But he is probably gleaning answers from all of it.

Catogrande

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That is pretty much the only thing I saw of the game live, and they were in the middle of looking at it on the big screen.
 
It is amazing, given the focus on attacking the neck or head, that Robshaw didn't leave the field. It is equally amazing, given the past focus we've had on dropping shoulders in at the breakdown, that Moore didn't join him.
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Couldn't agree more. Either or both were gone for me. Then nothing more than a reversed penalty. Bottled it I reckon and not the only time.

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None of it will matter a week from now. Cheika has made what I consider some puzzling selections. But he is probably gleaning answers from all of it.
 
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I'll expand on this now I'm not on the train using Tapatalk: this week provides Cheika an opportunity to run a couple more players or try to establish some combinations. Really, we're on a hiding to nothing because if we lose, its a whitewash, and if we win - no matter how convincingly - its because England already won.
 
So might as well use this opportunity to try the combinations we want for TRC because chances are someone will get their shit injured the next 5 weeks anyway. 
 
Would we have won with Beale? Not against that defense.

Cookie

Fair to say we got the rub of the green, but we do seem to have reduced the number of dumb penalties given away especially by the likes of Cole and Haskell. 
Final thought from me on this game. Previous summer tour failures have often been dismissed by England apologists because the boys are "tired" after having played too many games during the year. Are we no longer tired, or did we win despite flagging at the end? For me it seems players are now managed better during the season, often rested after 6N etc, but still some way to go.

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It also might be to do with players making themselves available if they feel they're going to be looked after.
 
Has Eddie had much of a say over the welfare of his national squad as it relates to club time? Like running particular camps to take time out of club rugby etc.

Catogrande

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Fair to say we got the rub of the green, but we do seem to have reduced the number of dumb penalties given away especially by the likes of Cole and Haskell... 

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I think this is the main reason we did get most of the 50/50 calls. Previously we were back to back world champs at stupid penalties but now we seem to have rectified this to a huge degree. If you're not giving away the daft ones you stand a better chance of winning the 50/50 calls IMO.

barbarian

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I think this is the main reason we did get most of the 50/50 calls. Previously we were back to back world champs at stupid penalties but now we seem to have rectified this to a huge degree. If you're not giving away the daft ones you stand a better chance of winning the 50/50 calls IMO.
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Which is a really underrated quality these days, IMO.
 
It goes to rugby intelligence - we laud guys who know when to go in for the pilfer, but it's equally important to know when not to, or know how to do it in a way that doesn't give away a penalty.
 
Pocock is good at this, Fardy is quite poor. And England have been incredible, the best I have ever seen.

mariner4life

Pocock wasn't so smart in the first, he made some really dumb decisions at the breakdown, uncharacteristic ones. 
 
Aus have been outsmarted and and outmuscled, a bad combination, and not what we expect from the Aussies. 
 
I do expect them to win this week, but then I've expected them to win every week, so don't stick the house on it.

Milk

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Which is a really underrated quality these days, IMO.
 
It goes to rugby intelligence - we laud guys who know when to go in for the pilfer, but it's equally important to know when not to, or know how to do it in a way that doesn't give away a penalty.
 
Pocock is good at this, Fardy is quite poor. And England have been incredible, the best I have ever seen.
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Barbarian, was that you speaking on the GAGR + Egg Chasers podcast? I think one of you mentioned that Australia had a very antagonistic relationship with the referee and that might have influenced the lack of penalties going the Wallaby's way.

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I do expect them to win this week, but then I've expected them to win every week, so don't stick the house on it. 
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Fuck, then its YOUR fault! Bloody Queenslanders cursing our shit. 
 
Get ready for the whitewash everyone!
 
England are $1.95 at the TAB, Wallabies $1.85. Line is +1.5

mariner4life

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Fuck, then its YOUR fault! Bloody Queenslanders cursing our shit. 
 
Get ready for the whitewash everyone!
 
England are $1.95 at the TAB, Wallabies $1.85. Line is +1.5
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well, blaming me certainly makes a change from the average aussie fan blaming the wingers (or any player not from their Super side)

NTA

Don't forget the ref.

mariner4life

how could I, facebook won't let me.

barbarian

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Barbarian, was that you speaking on the GAGR + Egg Chasers podcast? I think one of you mentioned that Australia had a very antagonistic relationship with the referee and that might have influenced the lack of penalties going the Wallaby's way.
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Yeah that's me.
 
That was a well made point (wasn't me). Again reflects badly on Moore. He was getting into the niggle, encouraging it, and we were screaming at the ref all game. So it's not surprising that England got the 50/50s.

KiwiMurph

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Yeah that's me.
 
That was a well made point (wasn't me). Again reflects badly on Moore. He was getting into the niggle, encouraging it, and we were screaming at the ref all game. So it's not surprising that England got the 50/50s.
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That was a really good listen. Good stuff all around.

barbarian

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That was a really good listen. Good stuff all around.
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Thanks mate. Been fun to do, even if the result wasn't the one we wanted.

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WALLABIES TEAM

James Slipper - Reds (76 Tests)
Stephen Moore (c) - Brumbies (104 Tests)
Sekope Kepu - Waratahs (65 Tests)
Will Skelton - Waratahs (14 Tests)
Rob Simmons - Reds (61 Tests)
Scott Fardy - Brumbies (32 Tests)
Michael Hooper (vc) - Waratahs (53 Tests)
Sean McMahon - Rebels (8 Tests)
Nick Phipps - Waratahs (41 Tests)
Bernard Foley - Waratahs (29 Tests)
Rob Horne (vc) - Waratahs (31 Tests)
Matt Toomua - Brumbies (31 Tests)
Tevita Kuridrani - Brumbies (33 Tests)
Dane Haylett-Petty - Western Force (2 Tests)
Israel Folau - Waratahs (40 Tests) 
Replacements (One to be omitted) 
Tatafu Polota-Nau - Waratahs (63 Tests) 
Scott Sio - Brumbies (17 Tests) 
Greg Holmes - Reds (25 Tests) 
Adam Coleman (Uncapped) 
Dean Mumm - Waratahs (46 Tests) 
Wycliff Palu - Waratahs (57 Tests) 
Nick Frisby - Reds (2 Tests) 
Christian Lealiâ€™ifano - Brumbies (17 Tests) 
Taqele Naiyaravoro - Waratahs (1 Test)

mariner4life

The selecting in this series is fucked. What the fuck is with the 2nd row? Kuridrani untouchable? Sio in and out? A new winger on the bench?

NTA

You get the impression he's just used this whole series for auditions leading into TRC

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England to whitewash Australia