All Blacks vs Wales

pakman

Crockett/Cole/Franks
Romano/BBBR
Cane/Kaino/Read
Smith/Cruden
Crotty/Fekitoa (not sure which 12/13)
Savea/Smith/Naholo
 
Moody/Charlie F/Taylor/Savea/Patrick T/TJP/BB/Dagg
 
In second think Sopoaga will start, also Ngatai if fit (if not Taimanavalu) and one or both of Dixon/Squire on bench. Moala might squeeze it if they feel they want midfield/wing cover, although that is something which they consider Benda can do.

Provincial Stalwart

I really think Ben smith won't play wing this year. He's the vice captain and the now the backline leader and you don't leave that guy on the wing. I'm pretty sure stu Wilson captained from the wing in the 1983 eoyt and that was a disaster.

DMX

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Provincial Stalwart" data-cid="585118" data-time="1465068988">I really think Ben smith won't play wing this year. He's the vice captain and the now the backline leader and you don't leave that guy on the wing. I'm pretty sure stu Wilson captained from the wing in the 1983 eoyt and that was a disaster.</blockquote>
 
Don't think he will don't think he should start on the wing. I think he is best full back in the world and he would never play there if the excuse was to make room for our other full backs. That said i do like Barret's impact of the bench at full back.

kiwiinmelb

I actually think Smith will spend some time on the wing, mainly because in the most recent games, it worked so well with Barrett at FB, 
 
But I dont think he will be midfield cover unless an emergency, I think there will be specialist midfield cover on the bench.

taniwharugby

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="pakman" data-cid="585117" data-time="1465067698">Crockett/Cole/Franks 
Romano/BBBR 
Cane/Kaino/Read 
Smith/Cruden 
Crotty/Fekitoa (not sure which 12/13) 
Savea/Smith/Naholo 
 
Moody/Charlie F/Taylor/Savea/Patrick T/TJP/BB/Dagg 
 
In second think Sopoaga will start, also Ngatai if fit (if not Taimanavalu) and one or both of Dixon/Squire on bench. Moala might squeeze it if they feel they want midfield/wing cover, although that is something which they consider Benda can do.</blockquote>
 
I don't see them having Dagg on the bench while you BB on the bench

Provincial Stalwart

To clarify, I think he certainly won't start on the wing even if there is injury. You'd expect the tactic of bringing Barrett on for a wing will continue. Bender officially goes to wing but that's on defence or to chase kicks. The best effect is having three players I.e. cruden, Barrett and bender who can act as first receiver in multi-phase play. Each can kick, pass and run brilliantly late in the game and means we retain our backline attack structures really well.

booboo

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That seems just plain strange without McCaw (c) there.</blockquote>
 
Been done before. Read (c) has occurred 9 times before.

booboo

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I really think Ben smith won't play wing this year. He's the vice captain and the now the backline leader and you don't leave that guy on the wing. I'm pretty sure stu Wilson captained from the wing in the 1983 eoyt and that was a disaster.</blockquote>
 
That may have had something to do with who was captain as much as where he was playing (and the unavailability of the entire tight 5).

Chris B.

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I really think Ben smith won't play wing this year. He's the vice captain and the now the backline leader and you don't leave that guy on the wing. I'm pretty sure stu Wilson captained from the wing in the 1983 eoyt and that was a disaster.
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I'm more of the opinion that he will.
 
I'm not sure there's a place for either of Dagg or McKenzie on the bench (it's a stretch to think McKenzie can cover first five at present), so if they're going to play in this series then they'll have to start. And if they start it simply makes more sense for them to play fullback and Ben Smith to either play wing, or Ben not play at all.
 
If, not play at all, then Savea and Naholo probably play all three tests.
 
I reckon we'll see at least one Wales test with Ben starting on the wing.

nostrildamus

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I don't see them having Dagg on the bench while you BB on the bench
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Well as Bones might say, Dagg should spend more time at 10..

nostrildamus

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In fact Squire would be more suited as he is the taller of the two. 
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3 CM! And Dixon has been quite successful at lineout hasn't he? Is there much in it for jumping prowess?

taniwharugby

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Well as Bones might say, Dagg should spend more time at 10..
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even then, still no point having both BB and Dagg covering 10/15 form the bench...

nostrildamus

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even then, still no point having both BB and Dagg covering 10/15 form the bench...
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Right. Kind of weird in that they are such different players (certainly at 15) IMO.

taniwharugby

that they are, but Dagg has only really played 15 right, BB often comes on at 15, but also covers 10

Stargazer

When Hansen explained the selection of Dagg and McKenzie, he literally said that Dagg's selection was "pretty much a no-brainer really". "He has been an outstanding All Black in the past; he had a season last year that was really affected by injury and he ran out of time to prove to us that he was ready to go to the World Cup. He has come back and - like a lot of guys who get a decent off-season - he has come back and has played extremely well; he looks really sharp; he has always been good under the high ball and he has continued to do that; his defence has improved from where it was. So he is really enjoying his rugby and I think he realises after that little break - I wouldn't say he took it for granted, but there is a new-found enthusiasm because of that break - and we are expecting him to come back in and really lift his game to another level as well here."
 
He said from McKenzie that he "has been in form, he is exciting, but he still has a lot of things in his game that he needs to grow and work on. But you would expect that of a young guy, so it is an opportunity for us to not just look at the now, but also the future (...) We get a month to work with him and over that time we will slowly but surely see him grow; the experience of being in [the team] will surely help him grow ."
 
With that in mind, I'm not sure whether McKenzie will get any game time. Maybe in the third game, most likely off the bench.
 
To me, Dagg's selection wouldn't make much sense, if they didn't give him (substantial) game time. You don't select Dagg for injury cover; Barrett can do that fine. So I see Dagg starting at least one game. Depending on Naholo's fitness and performance on the wing, Dagg will either replace Ben Smith at fullback, with Smith not playing that game at all (maybe the third game); or they will move Ben Smith to the right wing (that could be the 1st or 2nd game as well). I only see Dagg on the bench if they are running out of impact players, or if they want to try him again at the wing (which hasn't worked well at the Crusaders in the past; not sure whether the All Blacks have ever tried him at the wing).
 
Edited to add that Dagg is also a reasonably good kicker. Which would come in handy if Cruden/Barrett is not kicking well. Wasn't that what happened in the All Blacks game v Argentina in Napier?

pakman

Well, they've only named two wings, so unless Savea and Naholo are both going to play all 240 mins then someone else gets a run. Moala wasn't in original squad and that is a pretty clear indication that Benda will get game time on wing. If it were me, based on current squad I'd be inclined to Moala in first test as gives better cover. Just have a hunch they will want as much experience as possible in 23 and Dagg will be rewarded for his rehabilitation and loyalty.

antipodean

As Stargazer points out, the coaches have been entirely clear on this. If the vice captain needs to go to the wing or is injured, then Dagg becomes the starting fullback.
 
McKenzie isn't going to play in this series unless we thump Wales in the first two and then only from the bench.

kiwiinmelb

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When Hansen explained the selection of Dagg and McKenzie, he literally said that Dagg's selection was "pretty much a no-brainer really". "He has been an outstanding All Black in the past; he had a season last year that was really affected by injury and he ran out of time to prove to us that he was ready to go to the World Cup. He has come back and - like a lot of guys who get a decent off-season - he has come back and has played extremely well; he looks really sharp; he has always been good under the high ball and he has continued to do that; his defence has improved from where it was. So he is really enjoying his rugby and I think he realises after that little break - I wouldn't say he took it for granted, but there is a new-found enthusiasm because of that break - and we are expecting him to come back in and really lift his game to another level as well here."
 
He said from McKenzie that he "has been in form, he is exciting, but he still has a lot of things in his game that he needs to grow and work on. But you would expect that of a young guy, so it is an opportunity for us to not just look at the now, but also the future (...) We get a month to work with him and over that time we will slowly but surely see him grow; the experience of being in [the team] will surely help him grow ."
 
With that in mind, I'm not sure whether McKenzie will get any game time. Maybe in the third game, most likely off the bench.
 
To me, Dagg's selection wouldn't make much sense, if they didn't give him (substantial) game time. You don't select Dagg for injury cover; Barrett can do that fine. So I see Dagg starting at least one game. Depending on Naholo's fitness and performance on the wing, Dagg will either replace Ben Smith at fullback, with Smith not playing that game at all (maybe the third game); or they will move Ben Smith to the right wing (that could be the 1st or 2nd game as well). I only see Dagg on the bench if they are running out of impact players, or if they want to try him again at the wing (which hasn't worked well at the Crusaders in the past; not sure whether the All Blacks have ever tried him at the wing).
 
Edited to add that Dagg is also a reasonably good kicker. Which would come in handy if Cruden/Barrett is not kicking well. Wasn't that what happened in the All Blacks game v Argentina in Napier?
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Because they didnt pick another winger , I saw Dagg as cover for an injury to the back 3 as a starter , leaving Barrett where he is

ACT Crusader

If it were up to me it would be.....

Tu'ungafasi
Coles
Faumuina
Retallick
Tuipoluto
Kaino
Cane
Squire
A. Smith
A. Cruden
J. Savea
Fekitoa
Tamanivalu
Naholo
B. Smith
Harris
Crockett
Franks
Dixon
A. Savea
Perenara
Barrett
Moala 
Wrap Moody, Taylor, Whitelock, Romano, Read, Crotty, Dagg up in cotton wool. They've got a big campaign ahead of them [emoji41]

pukunui

It took me until that last sentence to not think you had completely lost your mind.

The Silver Fern

All Blacks vs Wales