All Blacks vs Wales
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<p>Selections next week will be VERY interesting.</p>
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<p>I tend to think Hansen won't chop and change much.</p>
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<p>In danger - <strong>Crotty</strong>, Savea.</p>
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<p>Thought he was fine, he is unlikely to go anywhere unless Ngatai is fit</p> -
<p>I'd like to see Dagg start next week, with B of the Smiths on the right wing. Not sure who I'd put on the left wing. Savea and Naholo both weren't good tonight.</p>
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<p>I'd also prefer Crotty at 13, with Ngatai at 12, but will Ngatai be back by then? Fekitoa was terrrible tonight; Crotty was mostly good, created opportunities, reasonably good on defence considering the big monster he had to defend against.</p>
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<p>Ardie deserves a start, but that would mean Cane on the bench ... Hope S of the Whitelocks will be good to go next week as well, although Romano wasn't bad.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Frank" data-cid="586533" data-time="1465638407">
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<p>Selections next week will be VERY interesting.</p>
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<p>I tend to think Hansen won't chop and change much.</p>
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<p>In danger - <strong>Crotty</strong>, Savea (Julian).</p>
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<p>Crotty played well; Fekitoa was the weakest of the mid-field pair.</p> -
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<p>Savea made a good impact. But jeez it is going to get tiresome reading his cheerleaders just over egging it.</p>
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<p>Spoken like a true Cane groupie (hey look you're both from the BOP!!!!) :)</p>
<p>Actually think Cane played well and should start.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Frank" data-cid="586533" data-time="1465638407"><p>
Selections next week will be VERY interesting.<br><br>
I tend to think Hansen won't chop and change much.<br><br>
In danger - Crotty, Savea (Julian).</p></blockquote>
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Crotty was fine. At least he can defend. People just want/hope he fails.<br><br>
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<p>Will try and sober up before commenting further ... but Barnsry still can't work out what constitutes a forward pass.<br><br><br>
Dickhead. ..</p>
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<p>If one had to sober up before commenting, one would never comment.</p> -
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<p>Crotty played well; Fekitoa was the weakest of the mid-field pair.</p>
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<p>Agreed.</p>
<p>I'm changing my mind 5 minutes later.</p>
<p>Fekitoa - goooooooone</p> -
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<p>Thought he was fine, he is unlikely to go anywhere unless Ngatai is fit</p>
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<p>Yeah he was ok. Sums him up really, which isn't a bad thing.</p> -
<p>Could go either way, wholesale changes for rotation. Or acknowledgement that the first test is always messy and combinations take time.</p>
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Great game to watch for a neutral.<br>
We did OK, glad we tried to play a more expansive game. But our guys aren't used to playing at that pace and were totally out on their feet at the end.<br>
Thought the Blacks bench was superb & made a huge difference.<br>
Nothing wrong with that pass by Cruden that Barnes judged forward either. I'd have given the Faletau try too just for the audacity to steal the ball like he did ;)<br>
Faletau was superb once again for us, the guy has a monstrous engine. His battle with Reed (best 8 on the planet) throughout the series would be worth the entrance fee alone for me.<br>
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<p>Savea made a good impact. But jeez it is going to get tiresome reading his cheerleaders just over egging it</p>
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<p>? I was the first to say great impact but also asked why was Cane replaced rather than why wasn't one of the old fellas like Kaino?</p>
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<p>Should I not have also said why BB came onto field when clearly he lifted back play? Weirdly I think a Welshman might have been the best player ion either team until BB came on.</p> -
Hilarious reading back on this thread after the red mist has cleared and the game is over. <br><br>
I think some of the criticism is over the top. A combination of first test of the season, new combinations, new full time captain, players with limited test experience starting. <br>
Add to that a very good Welsh performance. <br><br>
The only concern for me is Julian Savea. Sure a number of players have to improve both experienced an newer players, but as has been evident in Super rugby this season, Julian has been very indifferent. Being stood up like that and then effectively being anonymous in attack is worrying. <br><br>
You could point to issues with almost every player, but he is one of the experienced guys that has been around for a few years and was once an automatic selection. He will be disappointed with his effort tonight. -
<p>I think J Savea should be in the stand next week, but Hansen may be more loyal.</p>
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<p>Naholo is a tricky player to read. Brilliant at some things and shithouse at others. If you could sub teams off and on like in the NFL he'd be perfect...</p>
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<p>Fekitoa looks like a headless chook relative to Crotty. If we're judging impact runs off the bench the way we are for the loosies, Tamanivalu would also slot in next week......</p> -
<p>Hmm. Think we have to be a bit careful binning players after the 1st test of the season. Sure Naholo was a mare under the high ball and made a lot of mistakes but he was also facing a classy Welsh side and facing George North who has to be the best winger in the NH by a mile with a shed load more experience than he has. GN is scary in fact - beast. I thought Naholo came back well and hardened up a lot towards the end so I think he should get another go. I'm not sure he should start though but wouldn't be surprised if he does. Agree bring in Dagg and shift in Ben.</p>
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<p>To me the biggest problem appeared to be a bit of leadership nous and direction in the first half. We we're playing last 20 catch up Rugby in the first half. Again it was the first test though so don't think we should overreact. The centres also looked a bit laboured compared to what we're used to. Thought Patrick looked good when he came on. Was pleasantly surprised the scrum held up well as had some misgivings there. Feels bad to say this but I'm not convinced about Sam Cane, but never have been. Again, needs more time in the starting position.</p>
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<p>The Welsh were bloody great for long periods, it's a shame they don't seem to compete for the full 80, that's their achilles heel. I do think they lack belief too which isn't helping. </p> -
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<p>Hilarious reading back on this thread after the red mist has cleared and the game is over.<br><br>
I think some of the criticism is over the top. A combination of first test of the season, new combinations, new full time captain, players with limited test experience starting.<br>
Add to that a very good Welsh performance.<br><br>
The only concern for me is Julian Savea. Sure a number of players have to improve both experienced an newer players, but as has been evident in Super rugby this season, Julian has been very indifferent. Being stood up like that and then effectively being anonymous in attack is worrying.<br><br>
You could point to issues with almost every player, but he is one of the experienced guys that has been around for a few years and was once an automatic selection. He will be disappointed with his effort tonight.</p>
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<p>The whole point of posting live is to vent the red mist. Objectivity is for Sunday morning onwards...</p>
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Firstly what the fuck Barnes. World rugby seriously needs to sort out the tmo situation. Either just play it on the big screen for the ref to decide or actually listen to the tmo decision. Its hard enough to get right without refs making the procedure up as they go. <br><br>
AB defence was shit in that first half particularly. Mainly around the ruck and on the kick chase. <br><br>
Naholo was frustrating. Showed glimses of absolute class and power. Then would fuck up. Savea didnt help his image being beaten on the outside a few times.<br><br>
Im different to others. Thought Kaino was decent but Cane was quiet. We didn't get many turnovers at the ruck or even pressure them and that is one of his key roles. <br><br>
Don't rate fekitoa and this game didn't change that. Needs work because his signature outside break isnt working anymore. <br><br>
Bench was awesome. BB added pace and Ardie was good in the movement before the Naholo try. <br><br>
Cruden played pretty well and his running came out in the final 15min. Kicking for goal not great. <br><br>
Moving forward we will be better with whitelock back. Hopefully Ngatai back soon with crotty to 13. Naholo and Savea to fight for the left wing spot with B Smith at 14 and either Barrett or Daggat 15 until NMS returns. Would like Ardie to get astart in the 3rd test if we win next week. Despite what some think Cane doesn't own that 7 jersey so needs to outperform his team mates to get it. <br><br>
Forwards to get a lesson on pressuring the breakdown.<br><br><br>
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<p>Tuipulotu deserves to start next week (assuming Whitelock is still out).</p>
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<p>Savea made a good impact. But jeez it is going to get tiresome reading his cheerleaders just over egging it.</p>
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<p>Looks like I hit a nerve with the BOP/Chiefs Mafia who dominate this forum.</p>
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<p>Cane tackled and tackled tonight. Warburton got the better of him at the break down though. Delighted with Ardie Savea's debut and impact off the bench. He'll keep learning and getting better. I suspect he'll be the starting All Blacks Openside by the end of the year.</p>
