Black Caps v Australia
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@Rapido said in Black Caps v Australia:
Although I agree with the "but then why is Southee ...." part.
Nicholls, Wagner, Southee, Stead. Have been the deadwood. We're half way there. But because of the weakness - by the time we get 'there' - Blundell will also have joined the walking dead.
Yeah what has happened to him ?
He seems a lock as a keeper but his batting form has absolutely fallen off a cliff. Aside from the odd smallish contribution here and there heās a walking wicket nowadaysā¦.
Heās made double figures with a high score of 33 three times in his last 12 innings.
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Interesting article here on cricinfo breaking down his stats
Fair to say hes struggled vs and in OZ.
Southee's endurance and adaptability to the fore in unique landmark
The New Zealand captain brings up a century of appearances in each format in Christchurch. Will another pace bowler ever do it?
Also pointing out this lovely gem of a stat "He's taken eight Test wickets in his last 10 bowling innings at a cost of 52.75 apiece, while striking at 101.7."
Shame hes not a batsman averaging 52 at a strike rate of 101...
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@Bovidae said in Black Caps v Australia:
I don't think that Southee has any intention of retiring so a decision will need to be made for him.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350195065/tim-southees-journey-rugby-head-test-cricket-centurion
Last week Egan did. a puff piece on Stead, as he was finally getting some media pressure. This week a puff piece on Southee.
Hmmm.
Not suspicious.
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@Rapido said in Black Caps v Australia:
@Bovidae said in Black Caps v Australia:
I don't think that Southee has any intention of retiring so a decision will need to be made for him.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350195065/tim-southees-journey-rugby-head-test-cricket-centurion
Last week Egan did. a puff piece on Stead, as he was finally getting some media pressure. This week a puff piece on Southee.
Hmmm.
Not suspicious.
As youāve pointed out Iām a bit of a stats geekā¦..
Southee has taken his 378 wickets at 29.49. Stats donāt always tell the full story but Iād hate for him to edge over 30. For me thatās the cut off between āvery goodā and āgoodā for a pace bowler ( not an exact measure, see S Warne for clarification )
Is he damaging the legacy by continuing to play ?
Sir Paddles took a wicket with his last ball in test cricket. Again, maybe not a fair comparison but thats the ultimate āmic dropā send off.
But when the alternatives are Kuggs ( Iāll abbreviate so as not to continually spell his name wrong ) and Sears maybe he needs to carry on ?
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@MN5 said in Black Caps v Australia:
@Rapido said in Black Caps v Australia:
@Bovidae said in Black Caps v Australia:
I don't think that Southee has any intention of retiring so a decision will need to be made for him.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350195065/tim-southees-journey-rugby-head-test-cricket-centurion
Last week Egan did. a puff piece on Stead, as he was finally getting some media pressure. This week a puff piece on Southee.
Hmmm.
Not suspicious.
As youāve pointed out Iām a bit of a stats geekā¦..
Southee has taken his 378 wickets at 29.49. Stats donāt always tell the full story but Iād hate for him to edge over 30. For me thatās the cut off between āvery goodā and āgoodā for a pace bowler ( not an exact measure, see S Warne for clarification )
Is he damaging the legacy by continuing to play ?
Sir Paddles took a wicket with his last ball in test cricket. Again, maybe not a fair comparison but thats the ultimate āmic dropā send off.
But when the alternatives are Kuggs ( Iāll abbreviate so as not to continually spell his name wrong ) and Sears maybe he needs to carry on ?
Thats a pretty good record for sure, but if you check out the break down of his stats though
He averages 43 vs OZ, nearly 35 vs England, 47 vs South Africa
On the other side of that he does average 24 vs India, 18 vs Sri Lanka and 20 vs West Indies
But to have such a average to poor record against 3 of the best test nations isnt great material. -
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Australia:
@Rapido said in Black Caps v Australia:
@Bovidae said in Black Caps v Australia:
I don't think that Southee has any intention of retiring so a decision will need to be made for him.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350195065/tim-southees-journey-rugby-head-test-cricket-centurion
Last week Egan did. a puff piece on Stead, as he was finally getting some media pressure. This week a puff piece on Southee.
Hmmm.
Not suspicious.
As youāve pointed out Iām a bit of a stats geekā¦..
Southee has taken his 378 wickets at 29.49. Stats donāt always tell the full story but Iād hate for him to edge over 30. For me thatās the cut off between āvery goodā and āgoodā for a pace bowler ( not an exact measure, see S Warne for clarification )
Is he damaging the legacy by continuing to play ?
Sir Paddles took a wicket with his last ball in test cricket. Again, maybe not a fair comparison but thats the ultimate āmic dropā send off.
But when the alternatives are Kuggs ( Iāll abbreviate so as not to continually spell his name wrong ) and Sears maybe he needs to carry on ?
The alternative is not necessarily Kuggs though. Nathan Smith is definitely worth a shot but if you were to pick him it would be either for Southee or Henry not with them. Henry is now our number one bowler and Southee is captain so he won't get picked.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps v Australia:
Sir Paddles took a wicket with his last ball in test cricket. Again, maybe not a fair comparison but thats the ultimate āmic dropā send off.
To expand on your comparison. At the beginning of that final tour of England commentators were concerned that it was a tour too far for Hadlee and that he should have given it away rather than tarnishing his reputation.
He went on to be named player of the series.
Everyone remembers he took the wicket of Devon Malcolm with his last ball having been knighted during the match but how many realise it was in a losing cause? England smashed us in the first innings starting with a 200? run opening partnership.
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To be fair to Dev, he had to bowl on the dust bowls of India for a lot of his tests š
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@LABCAT said in Black Caps v Australia:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Australia:
@Rapido said in Black Caps v Australia:
@Bovidae said in Black Caps v Australia:
I don't think that Southee has any intention of retiring so a decision will need to be made for him.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350195065/tim-southees-journey-rugby-head-test-cricket-centurion
Last week Egan did. a puff piece on Stead, as he was finally getting some media pressure. This week a puff piece on Southee.
Hmmm.
Not suspicious.
As youāve pointed out Iām a bit of a stats geekā¦..
Southee has taken his 378 wickets at 29.49. Stats donāt always tell the full story but Iād hate for him to edge over 30. For me thatās the cut off between āvery goodā and āgoodā for a pace bowler ( not an exact measure, see S Warne for clarification )
Is he damaging the legacy by continuing to play ?
Sir Paddles took a wicket with his last ball in test cricket. Again, maybe not a fair comparison but thats the ultimate āmic dropā send off.
But when the alternatives are Kuggs ( Iāll abbreviate so as not to continually spell his name wrong ) and Sears maybe he needs to carry on ?
The alternative is not necessarily Kuggs though. Nathan Smith is definitely worth a shot but if you were to pick him it would be either for Southee or Henry not with them. Henry is now our number one bowler and Southee is captain so he won't get picked.
Duffy and Smith are both better new ball bowlers than Southee now. (as are O'Rourke and Jamieson if they were fit and don't necessarily need to be 3rd seamers but they are awesome at that role). Henry is the number 1.
So, at best, Southee is the 6th best new ball bowler in NZ.
He's now a specialist captain.
The decline can be pretty rapid and unexpected. Last year at 34 he was good enough, this year at 35 he isn't.
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@DaGrubster said in Black Caps v Australia:
To be fair to Dev, he had to bowl on the dust bowls of India for a lot of his tests š
Thats such fake news that Indians always try and say.
He averaged better at home than away !
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Sears is in for OāRourke. Not Kuggs.
OāRourke - 11 wickets at 17.36
Kuggs - 6 wickets at 42.33Not to mention, younger, taller, more promising long termā¦ā¦
Iād love to hear the logic for that selection.
EDIT: injured, just read that. Iāll stop being outraged.
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The Basin is the home of cricket in NZ Marky Mark, not Hagley.
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