Black Caps v Australia
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@Rapido said in Black Caps v Australia:
@Bovidae said in Black Caps v Australia:
I don't think that Southee has any intention of retiring so a decision will need to be made for him.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350195065/tim-southees-journey-rugby-head-test-cricket-centurion
Last week Egan did. a puff piece on Stead, as he was finally getting some media pressure. This week a puff piece on Southee.
Hmmm.
Not suspicious.
As you’ve pointed out I’m a bit of a stats geek…..
Southee has taken his 378 wickets at 29.49. Stats don’t always tell the full story but I’d hate for him to edge over 30. For me that’s the cut off between “very good” and “good” for a pace bowler ( not an exact measure, see S Warne for clarification )
Is he damaging the legacy by continuing to play ?
Sir Paddles took a wicket with his last ball in test cricket. Again, maybe not a fair comparison but thats the ultimate “mic drop” send off.
But when the alternatives are Kuggs ( I’ll abbreviate so as not to continually spell his name wrong ) and Sears maybe he needs to carry on ?
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@MN5 said in Black Caps v Australia:
@Rapido said in Black Caps v Australia:
@Bovidae said in Black Caps v Australia:
I don't think that Southee has any intention of retiring so a decision will need to be made for him.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350195065/tim-southees-journey-rugby-head-test-cricket-centurion
Last week Egan did. a puff piece on Stead, as he was finally getting some media pressure. This week a puff piece on Southee.
Hmmm.
Not suspicious.
As you’ve pointed out I’m a bit of a stats geek…..
Southee has taken his 378 wickets at 29.49. Stats don’t always tell the full story but I’d hate for him to edge over 30. For me that’s the cut off between “very good” and “good” for a pace bowler ( not an exact measure, see S Warne for clarification )
Is he damaging the legacy by continuing to play ?
Sir Paddles took a wicket with his last ball in test cricket. Again, maybe not a fair comparison but thats the ultimate “mic drop” send off.
But when the alternatives are Kuggs ( I’ll abbreviate so as not to continually spell his name wrong ) and Sears maybe he needs to carry on ?
Thats a pretty good record for sure, but if you check out the break down of his stats though
He averages 43 vs OZ, nearly 35 vs England, 47 vs South Africa
On the other side of that he does average 24 vs India, 18 vs Sri Lanka and 20 vs West Indies
But to have such a average to poor record against 3 of the best test nations isnt great material. -
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Australia:
@Rapido said in Black Caps v Australia:
@Bovidae said in Black Caps v Australia:
I don't think that Southee has any intention of retiring so a decision will need to be made for him.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350195065/tim-southees-journey-rugby-head-test-cricket-centurion
Last week Egan did. a puff piece on Stead, as he was finally getting some media pressure. This week a puff piece on Southee.
Hmmm.
Not suspicious.
As you’ve pointed out I’m a bit of a stats geek…..
Southee has taken his 378 wickets at 29.49. Stats don’t always tell the full story but I’d hate for him to edge over 30. For me that’s the cut off between “very good” and “good” for a pace bowler ( not an exact measure, see S Warne for clarification )
Is he damaging the legacy by continuing to play ?
Sir Paddles took a wicket with his last ball in test cricket. Again, maybe not a fair comparison but thats the ultimate “mic drop” send off.
But when the alternatives are Kuggs ( I’ll abbreviate so as not to continually spell his name wrong ) and Sears maybe he needs to carry on ?
The alternative is not necessarily Kuggs though. Nathan Smith is definitely worth a shot but if you were to pick him it would be either for Southee or Henry not with them. Henry is now our number one bowler and Southee is captain so he won't get picked.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps v Australia:
Sir Paddles took a wicket with his last ball in test cricket. Again, maybe not a fair comparison but thats the ultimate “mic drop” send off.
To expand on your comparison. At the beginning of that final tour of England commentators were concerned that it was a tour too far for Hadlee and that he should have given it away rather than tarnishing his reputation.
He went on to be named player of the series.
Everyone remembers he took the wicket of Devon Malcolm with his last ball having been knighted during the match but how many realise it was in a losing cause? England smashed us in the first innings starting with a 200? run opening partnership.
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To be fair to Dev, he had to bowl on the dust bowls of India for a lot of his tests 😂
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@LABCAT said in Black Caps v Australia:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Australia:
@Rapido said in Black Caps v Australia:
@Bovidae said in Black Caps v Australia:
I don't think that Southee has any intention of retiring so a decision will need to be made for him.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350195065/tim-southees-journey-rugby-head-test-cricket-centurion
Last week Egan did. a puff piece on Stead, as he was finally getting some media pressure. This week a puff piece on Southee.
Hmmm.
Not suspicious.
As you’ve pointed out I’m a bit of a stats geek…..
Southee has taken his 378 wickets at 29.49. Stats don’t always tell the full story but I’d hate for him to edge over 30. For me that’s the cut off between “very good” and “good” for a pace bowler ( not an exact measure, see S Warne for clarification )
Is he damaging the legacy by continuing to play ?
Sir Paddles took a wicket with his last ball in test cricket. Again, maybe not a fair comparison but thats the ultimate “mic drop” send off.
But when the alternatives are Kuggs ( I’ll abbreviate so as not to continually spell his name wrong ) and Sears maybe he needs to carry on ?
The alternative is not necessarily Kuggs though. Nathan Smith is definitely worth a shot but if you were to pick him it would be either for Southee or Henry not with them. Henry is now our number one bowler and Southee is captain so he won't get picked.
Duffy and Smith are both better new ball bowlers than Southee now. (as are O'Rourke and Jamieson if they were fit and don't necessarily need to be 3rd seamers but they are awesome at that role). Henry is the number 1.
So, at best, Southee is the 6th best new ball bowler in NZ.
He's now a specialist captain.
The decline can be pretty rapid and unexpected. Last year at 34 he was good enough, this year at 35 he isn't.
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@DaGrubster said in Black Caps v Australia:
To be fair to Dev, he had to bowl on the dust bowls of India for a lot of his tests 😂
Thats such fake news that Indians always try and say.
He averaged better at home than away !
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Sears is in for O’Rourke. Not Kuggs.
O’Rourke - 11 wickets at 17.36
Kuggs - 6 wickets at 42.33Not to mention, younger, taller, more promising long term……
I’d love to hear the logic for that selection.
EDIT: injured, just read that. I’ll stop being outraged.
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The Basin is the home of cricket in NZ Marky Mark, not Hagley.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps v Australia:
Young out once again after doing the openers job but ultimately scoring fuck all.
I wish he’d done better this series
I agree, I hope Latham does better as well, also found wanting of late
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@bayimports said in Black Caps v Australia:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Australia:
Young out once again after doing the openers job but ultimately scoring fuck all.
I wish he’d done better this series
I agree, I hope Latham does better as well, also found wanting of late
Youngs innings of 9, 15 and 14 have come off 50,52 and 57 balls respectively so it’s not like he’s not been hanging around and surviving for a bit.
Just a frustrating run of such nothing scores.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps v Australia:
Young out once again after doing the openers job but ultimately scoring fuck all.
I wish he’d done better this series
I think Young has done as well as to be expected given his technique and talent against the best bowling unit in the world.
