Aussie Summer of Cricket
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
First, it's Michael Vaughan, who appears to be taking over the Mark Nicholas job of "pom fellating Aus cricketers for a buck".
Second, greatest is so much more than box score. Dennis Lillee is a prime example. Record will end up probably the same, but one is a beloved iconic figure, the other is one of the more vanilla players going around even in this sanitised era.
Cummins is fucking good, but to be great you need to capture the imagination.But even if we go to box score, come on. He's got 250 wickets, and he's 30. He's not getting bulk wickets like McGrath (who already has a better average, so he'll beat him on total and average at career end), in fact there is no guarantee he even catches Starc (basically a hundred ahead).
Warne has him fucked in all ways
I’m not sure you can bag him for that, McGrath had to compete against Warnie sure, but Cummins has to get his wickets before Starc, Hazelwood, Lyon etc. In terms of wickets per test they’re VERY close. Paddles for one definitely got truckloads because there wasn’t a hell of a lot of danger at the other end ( with all due respect to battlers like Chats, L Cairns, Morrison etc )
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Jason Gillespie had to play his whole career with McGrath, Warne and Brett Lee, who combined took nigh on 1600 between them, and we're not annointing him any higher than the Hall of Very Good. Oh look he's take the same number of wickets as Pat
It's just another in a long line of modern media hot takes that is good for a "that's ridiculous" outburst and then quickly forgotten.
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
Jason Gillespie had to play his whole career with McGrath, Warne and Brett Lee, who combined took nigh on 1600 between them, and we're not annointing him any higher than the Hall of Very Good. Oh look he's take the same number of wickets as Pat
It's just another in a long line of modern media hot takes that is good for a "that's ridiculous" outburst and then quickly forgotten.
I remembered him after I typed actually. He was “very good” ( ie short of great but still better than most ) I think it is beyond awesome he got a DOUBLE century in his last test too !
But when there is only 20 wickets to possibly take there will always be guys a bit short changed. If they take the wickets for fuck all that’s always handy though, like a few of the guys on this list.
Pace like fire
The first instalment of this new series takes an in-depth look at West Indies' amazing pace attack of the 1970s, '80s and early 1990s
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@MN5 said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
@Chris said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
@mariner4life said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
@Chris said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
Matt Renshaw selected in the test squad obviously the new potential test opener.
Has a good combo with Uzzie good QLD boys.not the way MacDonald was talking. Everything is pointing to Smith at the top, Green to 4
"The best 6 batters in the country"
I hope they do,big mistake they might get away with it against the West Indies but not in England latter in the year or in NZ.
The Windies are just awful. Is Holder even playing test cricket at the moment ? Their very best players are bog standard when you judge them against some of the legends of their past.
I do admire Kemar Roach for sticking with the test team for as long as he has. Pretty damn decent pace bowler.
No Holder is only playing white ball cricket.
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@Chris said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
@MN5 said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
@Chris said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
@mariner4life said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
@Chris said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
Matt Renshaw selected in the test squad obviously the new potential test opener.
Has a good combo with Uzzie good QLD boys.not the way MacDonald was talking. Everything is pointing to Smith at the top, Green to 4
"The best 6 batters in the country"
I hope they do,big mistake they might get away with it against the West Indies but not in England latter in the year or in NZ.
The Windies are just awful. Is Holder even playing test cricket at the moment ? Their very best players are bog standard when you judge them against some of the legends of their past.
I do admire Kemar Roach for sticking with the test team for as long as he has. Pretty damn decent pace bowler.
No Holder is only playing white ball cricket.
Their team is very very weak and will get pumped.Australia could have Lyon and Hazelwood opening and still win by the sounds of things.
Any potential new batsman could pad his stats in Adam Voges like fashion too.
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@MN5 said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
@Chris said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
@MN5 said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
@Chris said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
@mariner4life said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
@Chris said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
Matt Renshaw selected in the test squad obviously the new potential test opener.
Has a good combo with Uzzie good QLD boys.not the way MacDonald was talking. Everything is pointing to Smith at the top, Green to 4
"The best 6 batters in the country"
I hope they do,big mistake they might get away with it against the West Indies but not in England latter in the year or in NZ.
The Windies are just awful. Is Holder even playing test cricket at the moment ? Their very best players are bog standard when you judge them against some of the legends of their past.
I do admire Kemar Roach for sticking with the test team for as long as he has. Pretty damn decent pace bowler.
No Holder is only playing white ball cricket.
Their team is very very weak and will get pumped.Australia could have Lyon and Hazelwood opening and still win by the sounds of things.
Any potential new batsman could pad his stats in Adam Voges like fashion too.
Yeah it will be nasty for the Windies probably pumped within 3 days.
Bangladesh are probably more a threat these days than the Windies. -
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@KiwiMurph said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
@Chris said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
That is why Cricket Australia will not use him as an opener they know it too.
Ahem
Big mistake Smith obviously has gotten his own way.
Although to be fair you could open the batting against the West Indies with a schoolboy and he would score runs. -
@NTA said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
Lol. The rumours were true
Gee whiz the line between sporting hero and national dickhead is pretty fine in Australia…..
Warner was ( I’ll say that since he is retired ) a very good test opener. Overall record is impressive. I personally loved watching him bat when in form.
But LOADS of off field dickheadness tarnishes this.
Warnie was a test legend. Jeepers, how many highlights were there ? That ball to Gatting is surely the pinnacle.
…..and all of his off field shenanigans were brushed aside as classic Aussie larrikanism. Regarded as an icon on the Mt Rushmore of cricket. His personality enhanced this reputation.
Just funny is all……
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@MN5 said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
@mariner4life said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
First, it's Michael Vaughan, who appears to be taking over the Mark Nicholas job of "pom fellating Aus cricketers for a buck".
Second, greatest is so much more than box score. Dennis Lillee is a prime example. Record will end up probably the same, but one is a beloved iconic figure, the other is one of the more vanilla players going around even in this sanitised era.
Cummins is fucking good, but to be great you need to capture the imagination.But even if we go to box score, come on. He's got 250 wickets, and he's 30. He's not getting bulk wickets like McGrath (who already has a better average, so he'll beat him on total and average at career end), in fact there is no guarantee he even catches Starc (basically a hundred ahead).
Warne has him fucked in all ways
I’m not sure you can bag him for that, McGrath had to compete against Warnie sure, but Cummins has to get his wickets before Starc, Hazelwood, Lyon etc. In terms of wickets per test they’re VERY close. Paddles for one definitely got truckloads because there wasn’t a hell of a lot of danger at the other end ( with all due respect to battlers like Chats, L Cairns, Morrison etc )
Hmmm.
Been thinking about this but not sure how to word it. Please bear with me.
This is an accepted truth of NZ Cricket in the 70s and 80s: "Hadlee got all the wickets because the guys at the other end didn't". The inference being if NZ had world class bowlers at the other end Hadlee wouldn't have looked so good.
But ... NZ did pretty well through that period. Won a goodly amount of tests.
Meaning either the other NZ bowlers were knocking the opposition off cheaply and are not given credit, or Hadlee was far better than credited and got wickets because he was awesome. Dude can bowl only so many overs.
Personally think there's a bit of both.
Do I make sense?
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@MN5 said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
…..and all of his off field shenanigans were brushed aside as classic Aussie larrikanism. Regarded as an icon on the Mt Rushmore of cricket. His personality enhanced this reputation.
Just funny is all……
There's a mighty difference between might rightly be regarded as "shenanigans" and the off-field spats and cheating that Warner specialised in.
And now Davey is trying to pretend his on-field behaviour was just an act! I'm not buying that.
Shane Warne was always enjoying himself, and he also mostly tried to make other people have fun. Warner is the sort of person who brings others down.
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Smith the opener dares quicks to bounce him with new ball
Steve Smith says the world’s quickest bowlers will have to risk wasting their new ball if they want to pummel him with short-pitched bowling now that he’s an opening batsman.
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@MN5 said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
How many Australian batsmen average UNDER 40 ?
Green batting at 4 is a bit of a gamble from the Aussies. But his FC average is 46.77
Also:
Green is averaging 65.09 in 24 Sheffield Shield innings at No.4 and 66.03 in his last 38 Shield innings overall
