Aussie Summer of Cricket
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@Duluth Pros:
- Short ball will be stowed (as you mentioned). Good point.
- Less ultra-defensive fields for Smith to contend with - these lower his scoring opportunities. The new ball needs slips and gullies. More gaps in front of square.
- His ticks (adjusting his gear between each delivery and noticing a postage stamp extremely wide of long on) will annoy the fresh/ready-to-go new ball bowlers.
Cons:
- Short term selection (2 or 3 years max);
- Slow strike rate. However, the ultra-defensive fields set for him probably had something to do with it.
- LBW candidate.
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@Punch_up said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
@Duluth Pros:
- Short ball will be stowed (as you mentioned). Good point.
Short ball would not be stowed as the new ball bowlers are fresher and the ball is hard, much better for bowling short deliveries.And Smith is not a fan of the ball bowled at his badge,Not a pro - Less ultra-defensive fields for Smith to contend with - these lower his scoring opportunities. The new ball needs slips and gullies. More gaps in front of square.
Yes that is the reason we have slips with a new ball we want the batsmen playing straight to a moving ball,Again Smiths technique is flawed to a moving delivery because of the arc his bat travels through these days, and his hands coming free to often, Not a pro - His ticks (adjusting his gear between each delivery and noticing a postage stamp extremely wide of long on) will annoy the fresh/ready-to-go new ball bowlers.
WHAT He faces the same opening bowlers batting at no.4 just with an older ball,I have not heard or seen any bowlers getting annoyed before.We are talking about professional bowlers.That is silly
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Cons: - Short term selection (2 or 3 years max);
- Slow strike rate. However, the ultra-defensive fields set for him probably had something to do with it.
- LBW candidate.
- Short ball will be stowed (as you mentioned). Good point.
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First, it's Michael Vaughan, who appears to be taking over the Mark Nicholas job of "pom fellating Aus cricketers for a buck".
Second, greatest is so much more than box score. Dennis Lillee is a prime example. Record will end up probably the same, but one is a beloved iconic figure, the other is one of the more vanilla players going around even in this sanitised era.
Cummins is fucking good, but to be great you need to capture the imagination.But even if we go to box score, come on. He's got 250 wickets, and he's 30. He's not getting bulk wickets like McGrath (who already has a better average, so he'll beat him on total and average at career end), in fact there is no guarantee he even catches Starc (basically a hundred ahead).
Warne has him fucked in all ways
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
First, it's Michael Vaughan, who appears to be taking over the Mark Nicholas job of "pom fellating Aus cricketers for a buck".
Second, greatest is so much more than box score. Dennis Lillee is a prime example. Record will end up probably the same, but one is a beloved iconic figure, the other is one of the more vanilla players going around even in this sanitised era.
Cummins is fucking good, but to be great you need to capture the imagination.But even if we go to box score, come on. He's got 250 wickets, and he's 30. He's not getting bulk wickets like McGrath (who already has a better average, so he'll beat him on total and average at career end), in fact there is no guarantee he even catches Starc (basically a hundred ahead).
Warne has him fucked in all ways
Yeah no contest Warne light years ahead of Cummins as great.
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@MN5 said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
Massive call.
In no particular order Ricky Ponting, Steve Smith, Glenn McGrath and Dennis Lillee say hi.
Steve Waugh and Allan Border grumble some kind of greeting too
Mark Waugh looks up disinterestedly and goes off to bet on a horse
LOL
In a decade people will struggle to remember his name.
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@antipodean who's?
In all seriousness though I find him forgettable now.
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@Chris said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
Matt Renshaw selected in the test squad obviously the new potential test opener.
Has a good combo with Uzzie good QLD boys.not the way MacDonald was talking. Everything is pointing to Smith at the top, Green to 4
"The best 6 batters in the country"
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
@Chris said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
Matt Renshaw selected in the test squad obviously the new potential test opener.
Has a good combo with Uzzie good QLD boys.not the way MacDonald was talking. Everything is pointing to Smith at the top, Green to 4
"The best 6 batters in the country"
I hope they do,big mistake they might get away with it against the West Indies but not in England latter in the year or in NZ.
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@Chris said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
@mariner4life said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
@Chris said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
Matt Renshaw selected in the test squad obviously the new potential test opener.
Has a good combo with Uzzie good QLD boys.not the way MacDonald was talking. Everything is pointing to Smith at the top, Green to 4
"The best 6 batters in the country"
I hope they do,big mistake they might get away with it against the West Indies but not in England latter in the year or in NZ.
The Windies are just awful. Is Holder even playing test cricket at the moment ? Their very best players are bog standard when you judge them against some of the legends of their past.
I do admire Kemar Roach for sticking with the test team for as long as he has. Pretty damn decent pace bowler.
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
First, it's Michael Vaughan, who appears to be taking over the Mark Nicholas job of "pom fellating Aus cricketers for a buck".
Second, greatest is so much more than box score. Dennis Lillee is a prime example. Record will end up probably the same, but one is a beloved iconic figure, the other is one of the more vanilla players going around even in this sanitised era.
Cummins is fucking good, but to be great you need to capture the imagination.But even if we go to box score, come on. He's got 250 wickets, and he's 30. He's not getting bulk wickets like McGrath (who already has a better average, so he'll beat him on total and average at career end), in fact there is no guarantee he even catches Starc (basically a hundred ahead).
Warne has him fucked in all ways
I’m not sure you can bag him for that, McGrath had to compete against Warnie sure, but Cummins has to get his wickets before Starc, Hazelwood, Lyon etc. In terms of wickets per test they’re VERY close. Paddles for one definitely got truckloads because there wasn’t a hell of a lot of danger at the other end ( with all due respect to battlers like Chats, L Cairns, Morrison etc )
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Jason Gillespie had to play his whole career with McGrath, Warne and Brett Lee, who combined took nigh on 1600 between them, and we're not annointing him any higher than the Hall of Very Good. Oh look he's take the same number of wickets as Pat
It's just another in a long line of modern media hot takes that is good for a "that's ridiculous" outburst and then quickly forgotten.
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
Jason Gillespie had to play his whole career with McGrath, Warne and Brett Lee, who combined took nigh on 1600 between them, and we're not annointing him any higher than the Hall of Very Good. Oh look he's take the same number of wickets as Pat
It's just another in a long line of modern media hot takes that is good for a "that's ridiculous" outburst and then quickly forgotten.
I remembered him after I typed actually. He was “very good” ( ie short of great but still better than most ) I think it is beyond awesome he got a DOUBLE century in his last test too !
But when there is only 20 wickets to possibly take there will always be guys a bit short changed. If they take the wickets for fuck all that’s always handy though, like a few of the guys on this list.
Pace like fire
The first instalment of this new series takes an in-depth look at West Indies' amazing pace attack of the 1970s, '80s and early 1990s
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@MN5 said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
@Chris said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
@mariner4life said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
@Chris said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
Matt Renshaw selected in the test squad obviously the new potential test opener.
Has a good combo with Uzzie good QLD boys.not the way MacDonald was talking. Everything is pointing to Smith at the top, Green to 4
"The best 6 batters in the country"
I hope they do,big mistake they might get away with it against the West Indies but not in England latter in the year or in NZ.
The Windies are just awful. Is Holder even playing test cricket at the moment ? Their very best players are bog standard when you judge them against some of the legends of their past.
I do admire Kemar Roach for sticking with the test team for as long as he has. Pretty damn decent pace bowler.
No Holder is only playing white ball cricket.
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@Chris said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
@MN5 said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
@Chris said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
@mariner4life said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
@Chris said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
Matt Renshaw selected in the test squad obviously the new potential test opener.
Has a good combo with Uzzie good QLD boys.not the way MacDonald was talking. Everything is pointing to Smith at the top, Green to 4
"The best 6 batters in the country"
I hope they do,big mistake they might get away with it against the West Indies but not in England latter in the year or in NZ.
The Windies are just awful. Is Holder even playing test cricket at the moment ? Their very best players are bog standard when you judge them against some of the legends of their past.
I do admire Kemar Roach for sticking with the test team for as long as he has. Pretty damn decent pace bowler.
No Holder is only playing white ball cricket.
Their team is very very weak and will get pumped.Australia could have Lyon and Hazelwood opening and still win by the sounds of things.
Any potential new batsman could pad his stats in Adam Voges like fashion too.
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@MN5 said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
@Chris said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
@MN5 said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
@Chris said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
@mariner4life said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
@Chris said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
Matt Renshaw selected in the test squad obviously the new potential test opener.
Has a good combo with Uzzie good QLD boys.not the way MacDonald was talking. Everything is pointing to Smith at the top, Green to 4
"The best 6 batters in the country"
I hope they do,big mistake they might get away with it against the West Indies but not in England latter in the year or in NZ.
The Windies are just awful. Is Holder even playing test cricket at the moment ? Their very best players are bog standard when you judge them against some of the legends of their past.
I do admire Kemar Roach for sticking with the test team for as long as he has. Pretty damn decent pace bowler.
No Holder is only playing white ball cricket.
Their team is very very weak and will get pumped.Australia could have Lyon and Hazelwood opening and still win by the sounds of things.
Any potential new batsman could pad his stats in Adam Voges like fashion too.
Yeah it will be nasty for the Windies probably pumped within 3 days.
Bangladesh are probably more a threat these days than the Windies.
