All Blacks 2024
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Jason Ryan's going to be selecting the Front Five so I expect there to be continuity unless there's a massive bolter from Super Rugby. Scooter, Vaa'i and Lord will all get game time at Lock.
Razor will be selecting the Back Row players which will be good news for Cullen Grace and Ethan Blackadder. Ardie Savea and Dalton Papalii will be retained from Foster's team.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@booboo we need two locks and a blindside just to make a test team, none of which are apparent.
I think we need a new 7, and I don't know who that is either (I'm not sold on DP)
DMac isn't a failure, but he's fsr from proven, and we don't even know if the new coaches like him
Who plays FB?That's a lot of work.
Not to mention we're lacking quality backups in most areas.
Most of your post was paper depth, where yes those guys are names, but are they
actually any good?We have enough flash harry's to rip any defence to shreds, we need a couple of good grinders up front
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Most of your post was paper depth, where yes those guys are names, but are they actually any good?
To me this is actually the exciting part.
I think there's a fair bit of talent that has yet to get a crack at test level.
Guys who have really shone at Super/ABs A/Maori and look poised for that next step
I'm thinking the likes of Ah Kuoi, Proctor, Zarn, Choat, Ruben Love, George Bell etc
That's not to mention there's quite a few players who have had a brief taste of test footy and are poised for much more in this cycle: Narawa, Stevenson, Grace, Mcleod, Finau, Lord etc
Gonna be fascinating to follow
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Most of your post was paper depth, where yes those guys are names, but are they actually any good?
To me this is actually the exciting part.
I think there's a fair bit of talent that has yet to get a crack at test level.
Guys who have really shone at Super/ABs A/Maori and look poised for that next step
I'm thinking the likes of Ah Kuoi, Proctor, Zarn, Choat, Ruben Love, George Bell etc
That's not to mention there's quite a few players who have had a brief taste of test footy and are poised for much more in this cycle: Narawa, Stevenson, Grace, Mcleod, Finau, Lord etc
Gonna be fascinating to follow
Not sure I agree with all of those names, but I agree with your point.
The opportunity is to sort out those ready to succeed at test level and that's the role of the selection and coaching team.
We have enough talent to win 80% of our tests, and during 2024 and 2025 I imagine that the public will accept a few bad results if they can see that Razor is working on something (especially with the media having his cock so far down their throats).
Trying to lure back Sam Whitelock could have us playing a Dad's army team at lock for a couple of years, which is just kicking the ball down the road.
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@akan004 said in [All Blacks 2024 - lo down by NZR and is doing it again.
How many overseas based players would have made the ABs when Fozzie was coach? Not many if any.
At the risk of burning down the house a certain stocky 12?
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@booboo Agreed that the depth in certain areas is a concern. As you've pointed out, lock and five-eighth. Where are the tall, big munters who like to hurt people in New Zealand? After DMac there's an abyss, then hopes and dreams for the jersey that's supposed to direct the team. Not great when we can't rely on Nuggy anymore.
If Jordan and
SullivanStevenson are our best hopes at fullback then we've got genuine concerns too given they've both demonstrated glaring gaps in their games. Hopefully those are resolved this year (and quickly). If Zarn gets a constant run at fullback for the Blues it might help. -
@antipodean all the tall guys wanna play basketball
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How about as the side to play England in July?
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E. Du Groot
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C. Taylor
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T. Lomax
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S. Barrett
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J. Lord
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E. Blackadder
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A. Savea
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C. Grace
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C. Roigard
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D Mac
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M.Telea
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J. Barrett
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R. Ioane
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W. Jordan
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R. Love
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S. Taukei'aho
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T. Williams
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F. Newell
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T. Vaa'i
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D. Papali'i
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M. Drummond
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B. Barrett
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A. Lienert-Brown
Obviously a few names will shift around after a season of Super Rugby.
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@sparky wtf has Grace done to deserve a start?
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@sparky wtf has Grace done to deserve a start?
I'll give him one thing, it is the Canterblacks. Plus a bit of Ruben Love CIM.
Jesus christ, if Drummy is the future, we are well fucked.
Extra points for all the loosies out of their best position, including two who can hardly string more than 3 games together in a row.
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We probably can't dominate up front atm but hold our own.
I can see Savea, Blackadder, Roigard, DMac and JB carrying a lot. High tempo, fun times. -
Might be off-key for the Fern, but are we really happy with Jordie as our 12 for the next 4 years?
Don’t get me wrong, he was essential to our side last year. But let’s be realistic, the guy is pretty limited at that spot. He runs straight and fairly hard, but he doesn’t spot weak shoulders or target gaps, and he hasn’t put a single outside back into space in his career in black. He kicks ok, but surely that’s not the bar ?
So 2 questions for the Fern collective:
- Can we do better at 12 (if so, who?); and
- If so, what do we do with Jordie?
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I'm happy w JB at 12.
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@BerniesCorner He needs to work on his goal kicking, but apart from that I thought he was generally excellent in RWC.
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I'm happy w JB at 12.
Big step up from what we had 3-4 years agoI'm hoping he and the rest of the team will get clear instruction regarding their individual and collective responsibilities, and that we become more consistent and clinical as a result
