All Blacks 2024
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan Would his departure likely coincide with Richie Mounga's return to New Zealand? What is actually happening, is he coming back late next year or in 2026?
RM? I don't believe anything has been confirmed. But Razor has made no secret of the fact he would love him back. IIRC he is contracted until end of 2025
Given our lack of stock at 10, I would like him back too. He won't suddenly make the AB unbeatable, but every bit helps.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan Would his departure likely coincide with Richie Mounga's return to New Zealand? What is actually happening, is he coming back late next year or in 2026?
RM? I don't believe anything has been confirmed. But Razor has made no secret of the fact he would love him back. IIRC he is contracted until end of 2025
Given our lack of stock at 10, I would like him back too. He won't suddenly make the AB unbeatable, but every bit helps.
Squeeze that stone dry.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan Would his departure likely coincide with Richie Mounga's return to New Zealand? What is actually happening, is he coming back late next year or in 2026?
RM? I don't believe anything has been confirmed. But Razor has made no secret of the fact he would love him back. IIRC he is contracted until end of 2025
Given our lack of stock at 10, I would like him back too. He won't suddenly make the AB unbeatable, but every bit helps.
Probably likely to have a net negative impact on the stocks to be honest.
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan Would his departure likely coincide with Richie Mounga's return to New Zealand? What is actually happening, is he coming back late next year or in 2026?
His contract runs through the 2025/26 season which ends around May/June 2026. As it stands, he would be able to return to NZ in mid 2026.
I’m guessing NZR are wanting to negotiate something there to get him back earlier than that.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan Would his departure likely coincide with Richie Mounga's return to New Zealand? What is actually happening, is he coming back late next year or in 2026?
RM? I don't believe anything has been confirmed. But Razor has made no secret of the fact he would love him back. IIRC he is contracted until end of 2025
Given our lack of stock at 10, I would like him back too. He won't suddenly make the AB unbeatable, but every bit helps.
Squeeze that stone dry.
Let's stick with BB then, because that's going well.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan Would his departure likely coincide with Richie Mounga's return to New Zealand? What is actually happening, is he coming back late next year or in 2026?
RM? I don't believe anything has been confirmed. But Razor has made no secret of the fact he would love him back. IIRC he is contracted until end of 2025
Given our lack of stock at 10, I would like him back too. He won't suddenly make the AB unbeatable, but every bit helps.
Squeeze that stone dry.
Let's stick with BB then, because that's going well.
And ignore DMac, Plummer, etc. Right? Because super form is no indication....
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan Would his departure likely coincide with Richie Mounga's return to New Zealand? What is actually happening, is he coming back late next year or in 2026?
RM? I don't believe anything has been confirmed. But Razor has made no secret of the fact he would love him back. IIRC he is contracted until end of 2025
Given our lack of stock at 10, I would like him back too. He won't suddenly make the AB unbeatable, but every bit helps.
Squeeze that stone dry.
Let's stick with BB then, because that's going well.
And ignore DMac, Plummer, etc. Right? Because super form is no indication....
DMac is worth sticking with. Plummer, well he's going so we won't know. It's debatable if the Blues would have played him at 10 anyway. After that the cupboard is bare.
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I think we are going to need a better backs coach than Scott Hansen. Who else is available?
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@Crazy-Horse Jacomb looks a good prospect
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@Frank said in All Blacks 2024:
@Crazy-Horse Jacomb looks a good prospect
From the little bits we have seen of him, yeah he is one to watch. Shame we won't see a lot of him again next season if DMac remains uninjured.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024:
It's debatable if the Blues would have played him at 10 anyway
You've surpassed Victor defending Foster. Kudos.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024:
It's debatable if the Blues would have played him at 10 anyway
You've surpassed Victor defending Foster. Kudos.
In what way? RM coming back adds to the depth of our game. I'd say the same about everyone who has buggered off. I'd like to see them all back.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024:
It's debatable if the Blues would have played him at 10 anyway
You've surpassed Victor defending Foster. Kudos.
In what way? RM coming back adds to the depth of our game. I'd say the same about everyone who has buggered off. I'd like to see them all back.
I'm sure the blues would've been reticent to play their ten who won them SR at ten. Imagine they'll probably ditch most of their starting players.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024:
It's debatable if the Blues would have played him at 10 anyway
You've surpassed Victor defending Foster. Kudos.
In what way? RM coming back adds to the depth of our game. I'd say the same about everyone who has buggered off. I'd like to see them all back.
I'm sure the blues would've been reticent to play their ten who won them SR at ten. Imagine they'll probably ditch most of their starting players.
Are BB and Perofeta not in the squad? I must have missed them leaving. If they are still in the squad, like I said, it's debatable as to whether they will start Plummer at 10.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024:
It's debatable if the Blues would have played him at 10 anyway
You've surpassed Victor defending Foster. Kudos.
In what way? RM coming back adds to the depth of our game. I'd say the same about everyone who has buggered off. I'd like to see them all back.
I'm sure the blues would've been reticent to play their ten who won them SR at ten. Imagine they'll probably ditch most of their starting players.
Are BB and Perofeta not in the squad? I must have missed them leaving. If they are still in the squad, like I said, it's debatable as to whether they will start Plummer at 10.
Just like this year. You're bang on, just like the saders.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024:
It's debatable if the Blues would have played him at 10 anyway
You've surpassed Victor defending Foster. Kudos.
In what way? RM coming back adds to the depth of our game. I'd say the same about everyone who has buggered off. I'd like to see them all back.
I'm sure the blues would've been reticent to play their ten who won them SR at ten. Imagine they'll probably ditch most of their starting players.
Are BB and Perofeta not in the squad? I must have missed them leaving. If they are still in the squad, like I said, it's debatable as to whether they will start Plummer at 10.
Just like this year. You're bang on, just like the saders.
Huh? What have the Saders got to do with it?
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024:
It's debatable if the Blues would have played him at 10 anyway
You've surpassed Victor defending Foster. Kudos.
In what way? RM coming back adds to the depth of our game. I'd say the same about everyone who has buggered off. I'd like to see them all back.
I'm sure the blues would've been reticent to play their ten who won them SR at ten. Imagine they'll probably ditch most of their starting players.
Are BB and Perofeta not in the squad? I must have missed them leaving. If they are still in the squad, like I said, it's debatable as to whether they will start Plummer at 10.
Just like this year. You're bang on, just like the saders.
Huh? What have the Saders got to do with it?
Ask Razor.
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My conclusion on this year.
There's a hell of a lot of work to do in 2025 and 2026 to improve this side.
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Was going for a C- or D+ for the year, depending on last team & the way they played versus Italy. But no growth for new players and another shit performance y razor's a team, mean D for this year, with little sign of improvement beyond injuries.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024:
Was going for a C- or D+ for the year, depending on last team & the way they played versus Italy. But no growth for new players and another shit performance y razor's a team, mean D for this year, with little sign of improvement beyond injuries.
Yeah a pass mark for me but not much more than that. I won't hold my breath, but it would be nice to see a few more players moved on.
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@Landers92 So hypothetically he could make a return to the Saders in time for the finals, if they qualify?
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Very glad Lakai is at 7. Love the extra speed. Aumua going well.
Outside of Roigard and DMac the backline isn't good. -
People rip out Jeff Wilson, but he's the only one who thinks about criticising this mob.
Angus Ta'avao and Steven Bates can fuck off.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
People rip out Jeff Wilson, but he's the only one who thinks about criticising this mob.
Angus Ta'avao and Steven Bates can fuck off.
Yeah he’s a real thinking mans cheerleader isn’t he ?
I thinks its the glasses.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
People rip out Jeff Wilson, but he's the only one who thinks about criticising this mob.
Angus Ta'avao and Steven Bates can fuck off.
Yeah he’s a real thinking mans cheerleader isn’t he ?
I thinks its the glasses.
You could tell Goldie was biting his tongue a lot whilst having to listen to Bates and Ta'avao's waffle. Don't get the hate for Wilson myself, think he's not bad.
Ta'avao's image on camera is simlar to his career on the field. The pretty boy prop.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
People rip out Jeff Wilson, but he's the only one who thinks about criticising this mob.
Angus Ta'avao and Steven Bates can fuck off.
Yeah he’s a real thinking mans cheerleader isn’t he ?
I thinks its the glasses.
You could tell Goldie was biting his tongue a lot whilst having to listen to Bates and Ta'avao's waffle. Don't get the hate for Wilson myself, think he's not bad.
Ta'avao's image on camera is simlar to his career on the field. The pretty boy prop.
No such thing
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
People rip out Jeff Wilson, but he's the only one who thinks about criticising this mob.
Angus Ta'avao and Steven Bates can fuck off.
Yeah he’s a real thinking mans cheerleader isn’t he ?
I thinks its the glasses.
You could tell Goldie was biting his tongue a lot whilst having to listen to Bates and Ta'avao's waffle. Don't get the hate for Wilson myself, think he's not bad.
Ta'avao's image on camera is simlar to his career on the field. The pretty boy prop.
No such thing
Except for him.
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Given the loss of Whitelock, Retallick, Smith and Mo'unga I thought the year was ok. We had some ugly wins that showed a lot of heart but also some games we should have nailed and won.
We need to flush the current attack plan down the dunny. It's clunky and awkward.
Razor needs to dispense with his Crusader favouritism.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
People rip out Jeff Wilson, but he's the only one who thinks about criticising this mob.
Angus Ta'avao and Steven Bates can fuck off.
Ta'avao is BFFs with half the squad and Bates was part of the Auckland NPC coaching staff this year who had a woeful season.
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6/10 for the year from me. I expected (hoped) for better, but it’s clear now that success will be hard fought and won. Only real standout disappointment was the Argentina loss - that was a very poor outcome. Aside from today, I’ve been encouraged by the progress. I’m hoping it’s like when Lauri Mains took over, and there is a bit of rough stuff before we see the gold. The new players that have shined give me a lot of encouragement, but definitely need to see some fruit next year fo shizz.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
People rip out Jeff Wilson, but he's the only one who thinks about criticising this mob.
Angus Ta'avao and Steven Bates can fuck off.
Ta'avao is BFFs with half the squad and Bates was part of the Auckland NPC coaching staff this year who had a woeful season.
Ta'avao would suit a show like the Crowd Goes Wild or commentate with the ACC team, something like that, because he shouldn't be analysing a rugby test that's for sure.
Bates, yeah well, Auckland's had some shockers as their head coaches, and he's up there with the worst.
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@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks 2024:
6/10 for the year from me. I expected (hoped) for better, but it’s clear now that success will be hard fought and won. Only real standout disappointment was the Argentina loss - that was a very poor outcome. Aside from today, I’ve been encouraged by the progress. I’m hoping it’s like when Lauri Mains took over, and there is a bit of rough stuff before we see the gold. The new players that have shined give me a lot of encouragement, but definitely need to see some fruit next year fo shizz.
Laurie Mains had the balls to make tough selections though, Razor hasn't shown that he does yet.
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@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks 2024:
6/10 for the year from me. I expected (hoped) for better, but it’s clear now that success will be hard fought and won. Only real standout disappointment was the Argentina loss - that was a very poor outcome. Aside from today, I’ve been encouraged by the progress. I’m hoping it’s like when Lauri Mains took over, and there is a bit of rough stuff before we see the gold. The new players that have shined give me a lot of encouragement, but definitely need to see some fruit next year fo shizz.
It was 3 years of dross with Laurie Mains before he finally got over his anti Auckland bias and also got the boon of Lomu.
I hope Razor can evolve his attitude faster than Mains did.
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks 2024:
6/10 for the year from me. I expected (hoped) for better, but it’s clear now that success will be hard fought and won. Only real standout disappointment was the Argentina loss - that was a very poor outcome. Aside from today, I’ve been encouraged by the progress. I’m hoping it’s like when Lauri Mains took over, and there is a bit of rough stuff before we see the gold. The new players that have shined give me a lot of encouragement, but definitely need to see some fruit next year fo shizz.
It was 3 years of dross with Laurie Mains before he finally got over his anti Auckland bias and also got the boon of Lomu.
I hope Razor can evolve his attitude faster than Mains did.
Yeah I think New Zealand Rugby needs a Buck Shelford moment.
Or at the very least a Whetton brother moment…..( were they both dropped at the same time ? I can’t remember )
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks 2024:
6/10 for the year from me. I expected (hoped) for better, but it’s clear now that success will be hard fought and won. Only real standout disappointment was the Argentina loss - that was a very poor outcome. Aside from today, I’ve been encouraged by the progress. I’m hoping it’s like when Lauri Mains took over, and there is a bit of rough stuff before we see the gold. The new players that have shined give me a lot of encouragement, but definitely need to see some fruit next year fo shizz.
It was 3 years of dross with Laurie Mains before he finally got over his anti Auckland bias and also got the boon of Lomu.
I hope Razor can evolve his attitude faster than Mains did.
It was that generational shift though. We held on too long with the Hansen era (fuck, still don’t understand how we lost that Lions series, after game 1), so now we need to reshape this team. Looks to me like Razor’s caught between wanting to win (KPI no 1) and blooding new players. Has he wasted his honeymoon period?
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@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks 2024:
6/10 for the year from me. I expected (hoped) for better, but it’s clear now that success will be hard fought and won. Only real standout disappointment was the Argentina loss - that was a very poor outcome. Aside from today, I’ve been encouraged by the progress. I’m hoping it’s like when Lauri Mains took over, and there is a bit of rough stuff before we see the gold. The new players that have shined give me a lot of encouragement, but definitely need to see some fruit next year fo shizz.
It was 3 years of dross with Laurie Mains before he finally got over his anti Auckland bias and also got the boon of Lomu.
I hope Razor can evolve his attitude faster than Mains did.
It was that generational shift though. We held on too long with the Hansen era (fuck, still don’t understand how we lost that Lions series, after game 1), so now we need to reshape this team. Looks to me like Razor’s caught between wanting to win (KPI no 1) and blooding new players. Has he wasted his honeymoon period?
He's pissed away all of his capital on poor selections and perceived provincial bias, along with a gameplan that is far from the finished article
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
Laurie Mains before he finally got over his anti Auckland bias
His long term captain was an Aucklander even when his bestie returned from injury.
His undroppable player (R Brooke) was an Aucklander.
He let his captain convince him to select an unwanted Zinny from Auckland and he went on to be a great.
More than half of the AB starting XV in the final match of 1992 were Aucklanders.
I don't think his bias was as big as you're making out it to be.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
Laurie Mains before he finally got over his anti Auckland bias
His long term captain was an Aucklander even when his bestie returned from injury.
His undroppable player (R Brooke) was an Aucklander.
He let his captain convince him to select an unwanted Zinny from Auckland and he went on to be a great.
More than half of the AB starting XV in the final match of 1992 were Aucklanders.
I don't think his bias was as big as you're making out it to be.
He did take too long to settle into his best team. And for all that, just like Foster, he could have plumped his legacy with a RWC win only to be thwarted by SA
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
Laurie Mains before he finally got over his anti Auckland bias
His long term captain was an Aucklander even when his bestie returned from injury.
His undroppable player (R Brooke) was an Aucklander.
He let his captain convince him to select an unwanted Zinny from Auckland and he went on to be a great.
More than half of the AB starting XV in the final match of 1992 were Aucklanders.
I don't think his bias was as big as you're making out it to be.
He did take too long to settle into his best team. And for all that, just like Foster, he could have plumped his legacy with a RWC win only to be thwarted by SA
Yeah, I don''t disagree he took a while to settle on his best team (and like Henry when he took over he deliberately tried to break up factions within the team) I only had an issue with the anti Auckland bias of the comment I responded to.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
Laurie Mains before he finally got over his anti Auckland bias
His long term captain was an Aucklander even when his bestie returned from injury.
His undroppable player (R Brooke) was an Aucklander.
He let his captain convince him to select an unwanted Zinny from Auckland and he went on to be a great.
More than half of the AB starting XV in the final match of 1992 were Aucklanders.
I don't think his bias was as big as you're making out it to be.
He did take too long to settle into his best team. And for all that, just like Foster, he could have plumped his legacy with a RWC win only to be thwarted by SA
Yeah, I don''t disagree he took a while to settle on his best team (and like Henry when he took over he deliberately tried to break up factions within the team) I only had an issue with the anti Auckland bias of the comment I responded to.
Fair call. I wasn't disputing that mate
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