All Blacks 2024
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
SA in SA isn't necessarily the place to blood a greenhorn
Lima Sopoaga has entered teh conversation
His performance was the exception rather than the rule. Our young bench weren't great on Saturday. Razor obviously worried about it because he left his starters on as long as he felt he could to try and win the game
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
@kpkanz said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones Even more ironic that Narawa has been playing center the entirety of the NPC since being out of All Blacks camp (I'd say EXTREMELY likely at the request of Razor).
Would be hilarious if he usurps Rieko as starting center.
I think Narawa can be a future great All Black, reminds me a lot of Sivivatu, very high spatial awareness and game IQ. Game looks slow motion for him.
Just watched BOP vs Ta$man highlights there.
Narawa had some lovely touches at centre. Scored one from 50 meters, set up another from 60 meters, and set up another that was chalked off incorrectly with a lovely one handed offload.
Admittedly not test level, but he looked dangerous. He didnt look like a winger at centre.
He looked like a centre.
At NPC level ffs.
Yeah agreed, but it is all we've got right now. It was at least against Ta$man, who are not the worst side.
For all its problems, it's also still a high enough level that our lost saviour at 6 is able to stink it up now that he's captain couldn't give a shit. -
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024:
I'd be happier to swap in Love at fullback and Ratima to start at halfback than almost any other change in this squad.
Which brings to me my concern that there's not much they can do because the squad itself is heavily compromised. Finau is finding his feet at Test level and learning it's a big step up. Blackadder is busy but doesn't dominate and Ardie is well out of form - basically all the good parts of his game have evaporated and the criticisms remain.
100% this.
Here's an example.
One guy that strikes me as someone that would be a great option to debut would be Numia as a bench loosehead. Would offer serious bench impact
But no...they chose Bower to replace EDG...
Just on another note - ALB makes no sense as a bench player when he is only good at 12 now.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024:
I'd be happier to swap in Love at fullback and Ratima to start at halfback than almost any other change in this squad.
Which brings to me my concern that there's not much they can do because the squad itself is heavily compromised. Finau is finding his feet at Test level and learning it's a big step up. Blackadder is busy but doesn't dominate and Ardie is well out of form - basically all the good parts of his game have evaporated and the criticisms remain.
100% this.
Here's an example.
One guy that strikes me as someone that would be a great option to debut would be Numia as a bench loosehead. Would offer serious bench impact
But no...they chose Bower to replace EDG...
Just on another note - ALB makes no sense as a bench player when he is only good at 12 now.
Yep. Razor has backed himself into a hole with his selections in certain areas.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2024:
For all its problems, it's also still a high enough level that our lost saviour at 6 is able to stink it up now that he's captain couldn't give a shit.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
The Highlanders new fans on here are good value though.
Cheers mate, was getting worried there for a second.
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@darylmitchell said in All Blacks 2024:
Sick of Razor's needlessly disruptive use of the subs, and his selection of bench players who don't make a positive impact.
We are losing our structure in the last 20 minutes of every test, stop rearranging the f---ing backline around to shoehorn the sideways running backline shape destroying Telea & ALB into 13.
If you have to just take off one of the wingers and the halfback to minimize the disruption to our attack, it's ruining our cohesion and momentum.
Having said that, how can you not score a single try in the last 20 minutes of 7 tests after bringing a complete bench of fresh players onto the field? It's unforgivable.
Ofa, ALB, Finau, Telea, etc. would rather have guys like Tosi/Numia, Tupaea/Proctor, Lakai, AJ Lam, etc. coming on than overrated duds like ALB, Telea who stink up the backline shape by crabbing sideways and killing our momentum on attack.
ALB led super rugby in linebreaks/defenders beaten for ALL midfielders. He was the most dynamic attacking threat easily this year.
And you want to replace him with TUPAEA??
Finding it hilarious that the back replacements are being blamed for this loss. That last 15 mins we had pretty much 15% possession. I'm not sure how ALB/Telea are to blame for that and what they're supposed to do with no ball.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
SA in SA isn't necessarily the place to blood a greenhorn
Lima Sopoaga has entered teh conversation
The poor fella. It was all downhill after that debut too…
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024:
I'd be happier to swap in Love at fullback and Ratima to start at halfback than almost any other change in this squad.
Which brings to me my concern that there's not much they can do because the squad itself is heavily compromised. Finau is finding his feet at Test level and learning it's a big step up. Blackadder is busy but doesn't dominate and Ardie is well out of form - basically all the good parts of his game have evaporated and the criticisms remain.
100% this.
Here's an example.
One guy that strikes me as someone that would be a great option to debut would be Numia as a bench loosehead. Would offer serious bench impact
But no...they chose Bower to replace EDG...
Just on another note - ALB makes no sense as a bench player when he is only good at 12 now.
As a squad backup.
We’ve had this discussion before, but in this particular circumstance I think having an experienced head to come in seamlessly without having to train up a new player serves the short term need before EdG returns. Plus it’s not like Bower is a mug. He was the Saders best prop earlier this season before injury.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@kpkanz said in All Blacks 2024:
I guess I just find it hard to believe that when an All Black is released to NPC to get some game time, that the NPC coach can override the wishes of the national coach and play them out of position, making the entire exercise pointless and potentially hindering the national team. (devils advocate, you can argue here that actually Narawa is so out of the ABs picture that Robertson let the Steamer coach know he can play him wherever he chooses, although I highly doubt that is the situation).
I don't think NPC coaches give a flying fuck what the All Blacks coach wants - they're too busy trying to make their own squad win.
I don't think they give a flying fuck. I think they're "asked politely" from the higher ups to play their current All Blacks (the rare times they're available) in a certain position every now and then.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@kpkanz They might be asked, but there's no requirement for NPC coaches to accede - they're trying to ensure they're successful and have a job.
This is from the job description of the expectations for an NPC coach/assistant coach job.
1st and 3rd points.
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@kpkanz So you're effectively proving my point. Consulting and discussing is not the same as being told where and when to play players.
And now imagine the decreasing level to which it applies as you move down from AB XV, Māori ABs, Super Rugby and NPC...
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@kpkanz So you're effectively proving my point. Consulting and discussing is not the same as being told where and when to play players.
And now imagine the decreasing level to which it applies as you move down from AB XV, Māori ABs, Super Rugby and NPC...
Read the first point of the job requirement again before you die on this hill.
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@kpkanz said in All Blacks 2024:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@kpkanz So you're effectively proving my point. Consulting and discussing is not the same as being told where and when to play players.
And now imagine the decreasing level to which it applies as you move down from AB XV, Māori ABs, Super Rugby and NPC...
Read the first point of the job requirement again before you die on this hill.
That doesn't mean what you think it means. EOD
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@kpkanz said in All Blacks 2024:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@kpkanz So you're effectively proving my point. Consulting and discussing is not the same as being told where and when to play players.
And now imagine the decreasing level to which it applies as you move down from AB XV, Māori ABs, Super Rugby and NPC...
Read the first point of the job requirement again before you die on this hill.
That doesn't mean what you think it means. EOD
fair play to @kpkanz , a corporate reading of that is 'do what you get told'. I'm with him on that one - 'betterment of NZ rugby' gets assessed by the senior person I reckon.
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
Rassie is throwing Sasha and Fassi in at the deep end among others.
The difference is Rassie has the momentum to do this. Much harder to do when the next game's always make-or-break.
Honestly, if Robertson loses next week or not, I wouldn't have a problem with big changes and trying something different - even if they don't all come off
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@kpkanz said in All Blacks 2024:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@kpkanz So you're effectively proving my point. Consulting and discussing is not the same as being told where and when to play players.
And now imagine the decreasing level to which it applies as you move down from AB XV, Māori ABs, Super Rugby and NPC...
Read the first point of the job requirement again before you die on this hill.
That doesn't mean what you think it means. EOD
fair play to @kpkanz , a corporate reading of that is 'do what you get told'. I'm with him on that one - 'betterment of NZ rugby' gets assessed by the senior person I reckon.
Disagree. The language, if deliberately chosen (and there's no reason to suggest it isn't), frames it as a consideration, not an obligation. Hence there's autonomy for the coaches.
