All Blacks 2024
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@Tim @DaGrubster Yeah both valid points, but at the same time, I'm not too upset if they try and bring someone through (not necessarily George Bell), maybe you're right, save it for later in the season like an EOYT before going down that road and maybe use someone like Riccitelli in the short term but yeah, I see both sodes of the argument.
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He is 29 and in career best form and is probably going to be a super rugby winner.
Sounds a better pick than a player in horrific form.
Why not rewards form from a player who has stayed in NZ? At his age most have buggered off. So as well as being the right pick on form it also sends a message to players that you don’t need to go overseas if you haven’t cracked the AbS by 28.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I can see the attraction of Havili, and Proctor is the guy I'd leave out.
Put the wine bottle down.
Wine bottle ? I’m thinking crack pipe
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I can see the attraction of Havili, and Proctor is the guy I'd leave out.
Put the wine bottle down.
Proctor over Havili any day. But I can see DH getting the nod.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I can see the attraction of Havili, and Proctor is the guy I'd leave out.
Put the wine bottle down.
But I can see DH getting the nod.
So can I provided he’s healthy(haven’t seen anything about that injury he sustained against the blues).
Havili is good, but down here in Crusader land he is very highly regarded by everyone so I’m used to everyone pounding the table for him. Never really understood it myself. Just a solid player who does his core roles well, not much more not much less. Feel like the All Blacks don’t need a guy like that given the squad is full of top end players who know their roles inside and out anyway.
Havili has peaked in my opinion but as we all know, Razor loves him so I wouldn’t be surprised if we hear his name…
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Monday can’t come soon enough 😂
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I can see the attraction of Havili, and Proctor is the guy I'd leave out.
Put the wine bottle down.
Not saying I would pick him, but can see the reasoning why a selector would.
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Monday can’t come soon enough 😂
I expect lots of "He may have been shit in the past, but Razor has a track record of getting the best out of players..." comments. 😂
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Look, I thought Bell was horrific in SR this year, but is Riccitelli really a long term option?
Does that matter? We're picking a squad to take on England in two weeks.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Look, I thought Bell was horrific in SR this year, but is Riccitelli really a long term option?
Does that matter? We're picking a squad to take on England in two weeks.
If two of the three hookers are Taylor and Aumua then you'd want them both playing in both matches so it'll only matter if injury hits one of them. I don't think a third hooker (that isn't Taukei'aho) is going to get any minutes so it is more about thinking about the future. I agree with everyone saying George Bell has had an average season but if the selectors have seen enough from him in the past to believe he's a long-term option then I'm not completely against them selecting him. I'm not convinced he is the best long-term hooker but I can at least understand the thinking.
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I can see the attraction of Havili, and Proctor is the guy I'd leave out.
Put the wine bottle down.
Not saying I would pick him, but can see the reasoning why a selector would.
Yeah but it would be the same kind of reasoning that gave Taylor half a dozen tests to shit all over the park before finding some average form when Taukieaho was running hot. I don't want to see that anymore.
Plummer offers exactly the same utility, as does Jordie.
Fullback, ten and midfield are very well covered already so what's the point?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Monday can’t come soon enough 😂
I expect lots of "He may have been shit in the past, but Razor has a track record of getting the best out of players..." comments. 😂
The period from 2019 (or earlier) to 2023 may have ended some promising careers. I do wonder how some players might have performed in a more progressive environment. Akira comes to mind esp. since Cotter seems to have him looking like he is tailor-made for test rugby.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Monday can’t come soon enough 😂
I expect lots of "He may have been shit in the past, but Razor has a track record of getting the best out of players..." comments. 😂
The period from 2019 (or earlier) to 2023 may have ended some promising careers. I do wonder how some players might have performed in a more progressive environment.
We'll never know. But it's going to be different and wonderful now eh?
Akira comes to mind esp. since Cotter seems to have him looking like he is tailor-made for test rugby.
Akira looked tailor-made for Test rugby almost every season of SR he played. Hansen clearly had an issue with him but IMHO he had plenty of opportunities from 2019 to progress and never quite grabbed them.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Plummer offers exactly the same utility, as does Jordie.
Assuming he gets picked....
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Plummer offers exactly the same utility, as does Jordie.
Assuming he gets picked....
That's what I mean, why pick an out of form guy who never really performed in test rugby at 12, was a decent fullback, but hasn't played there in forever. When you can select someone in a rich vein of form who can cover the other positions just as well?
I don't buy that he's "razor's guy" either, he got shifted out of fullback for Jordan, then didn't seem to be that preferred at twelve either last year iirc.
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What's all this coach from Canterbury selectorial bias. Pure paranoia.
