All Blacks 2024
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ARHS said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I would have Billy P over Rieko at the moment too
ha ha ha ha. This thread is going crazy now.
69 tests, 36 tries, he's probably one of the first names on the team sheet. Billy P has his strengths, but he's a rookie at Test level.
Of all the posts, this is the one that's crazy? It's not like Rieko has set the world alight at centre and he's not exactly having a standout season. Be honest, he's only the incumbent because it's been ridiculously slim pickings - he's not even close to being a pick in any world XV I'd say.
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@Bones is that the standard?
He's probably not world XV, but he's not far below it. People over-react to him, but he's playing well - and has for a while. He was excellent at the RWC, on the biggest stage, and shut down some much vaunted centre combos.
This is a bit like saying ma'a hasn't played well in Super, so we should drop him from the ABs.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones is that the standard?
He's probably not world XV, but he's not far below it. People over-react to him, but he's playing well - and has for a while. He was excellent at the RWC, on the biggest stage, and shut down some much vaunted centre combos.
This is a bit like saying ma'a hasn't played well in Super, so we should drop him from the ABs.
Of course that's the standard, why wouldn't you want someone who's considered one of the best in the world?
I don't even know how to address the second paragraph, apart from to say that's as ridiculous as pretending Cane is akin to McCaw.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ARHS said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I would have Billy P over Rieko at the moment too
ha ha ha ha. This thread is going crazy now.
69 tests, 36 tries, he's probably one of the first names on the team sheet. Billy P has his strengths, but he's a rookie at Test level.
Of all the posts, this is the one that's crazy? It's not like Rieko has set the world alight at centre and he's not exactly having a standout season. Be honest, he's only the incumbent because it's been ridiculously slim pickings - he's not even close to being a pick in any world XV I'd say.
With Rieko - Super form doesn't = test form it seems (like a long line of Blues; Kaino, Rokocoko etc)
Rieko is having a better Super Rugby season this year than last year (despite two nasty head knocks) and he had a terrific test season last year (people easily forget he threw two try assist passes in our QF win over Ireland). It's also worth noting Rieko has played well in the two playoff games this year.
There are certainly aspects to Proctor's game that look better than Rieko's (he can kick, he has better hands etc) but there are question marks as to whether he can transfer it to test level.
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@KiwiMurph oh of course, but I think it's one of the least crazy posts on here to suggest it's worth seeing if Proctor can translate.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph oh of course, but I think it's one of the least crazy posts on here to suggest it's worth seeing if Proctor can translate.
That's fair. I think "only the incumbent because of ridiculously slim pickings" is harsh. He had an excellent World Cup at 13.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Rieko has been very very good in Black, and there is no chance Procter goes past him based on Super.
So you'd be prepared to season and consume a delicious hat if he did?
Come on man, we've had people saying things like Miller is in the frame and you jump on the post saying that a guy playing excellently in a position with zero depth is worth a punt.
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We are not going to know how Proctor performs at test level until he’s selected in the ABs so it makes sense to select him. Hopefully he gets an opportunity to start alongside Jordie who he’s created a very good combo with. Proctor is capable of overtaking Ioane eventually because he has all the attributes to be a world class centre aswell.
Let’s hope he can take the most of his opportunities (if selected).
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lol Reiko would start for basically everyone. Who is better? And don't say fucking Am, who hasn't done shit in years.
Reiko would transform Ireland for instance.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones the comparison was Procter over Reiko. Based, presumably on Super form, hence my comment.
Rieko has been very very good in Black, and there is no chance Procter goes past him based on Super.
the first point...what else would it be based on seeing as Proctor hasnt played test rugby?
second point...is that where we are? super rugby is no longer where people put their hand up for higher honors?....we have to wait for RI to get old and retire before anyone can be considered in the 13 jersey
the whole argument of someone is only proven at super level and unproven at test level...when they havent been given a chance to prove themselves at test level is maddening, much like saying form at test level from 9 months ago completely eclipses form from the last few months....sure, its a consideration...as annoying as it is some players only really shine in Black...but it cant be everything
this is where the joke about being harder to be dropped from the AB's than make the AB's becomes less funny
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Fickou, Danty, Ikitau...
Lol
Good argues
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Fickou, Danty, Ikitau...
Ikitau? Rieko regularly outplays him at test and Super level (including last weekend)
As much as Drummond regularly outplayed Smith at super level.
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@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
ALB outplayed procter last week . let’s see what happens this week against Ioane
Proctor also outplayed Ioane and ALB when the sides met earlier in the year so horses for courses.
Better to build depth and have all these guys pushing each other than having utilities that can cover multiple positions so to speak.
Ioane will start as the preferred midfield option but if he lasts there until the next World Cup will remain to be seen.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
ALB outplayed procter last week . let’s see what happens this week against Ioane
Proctor also outplayed Ioane and ALB when the sides met earlier in the year so horses for courses.
Better to build depth and have all these guys pushing each other than having utilities that can cover multiple positions so to speak.
Ioane will start as the preferred midfield option but if he lasts there until the next World Cup will remain to be seen.
when u are a uncapped player and you are meeting 60+ test players in a knockout games it pays to outplay them if you want to advance your case
