All Blacks 2024
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Mr-Fish you know we went 2-1-1 against Australia in 2020 right? Hardly easy beats
2020 was a bit of an anomaly due to Covid. Just an all-round messed up season.
That didn't stop the coach being criticised for an under-developed squad though.
I think 3 losses - even against "tough teams" - will start the questioning. Hope it's met full on by NZR, though.
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@Victor-Meldrew I seem to recall there being a bit of leniency in 2020 due to covid, but the following year and then the reappointment is what pissed more people off.
I wonder of they have introduced any KPIs since then, I guess historically putting win KPIs on an AB coach was a bit of a nothkng KPI
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We had an advantage over every nation in 2020.
This is an incredibly tough season ahead. One of the hardest in recent times.
We will probably have to use around 45+ players for the ABs this year due to the workload and inevitable injury list that comes with it. Given we had the usual exodus after a RWC, the depth of the ABs will be stretched as much as it has ever been.
I have high hopes for this AB squad and new coaching team. The playing and mgmt talent is there. Previous success is a very good indicator of future success, and Razor and his team are at the start of their international journey. Which means some things will take time, mistakes will be made and it will be a big learning curve. Which could mean some games lost that we shouldn’t.
As you say, we expect high standards and winning every match. Every AB coach is under the same pressure in that regard.
It’s so important for the commercial success of NZR. We need the ABs to be winning as they are the cash cow for us.
Having said all that, If the next season or two doesn’t go as planned, I’m not sure Razor will be sacked or under the same public pressure as Foz was.
Mainly because Foz wasn’t a very popular choice as coach to start with and if Razor, the golden boy, got fired for poor performance, where would NZR go from there?
I have gone off on a tangent there and those thoughts aren’t really a direct reply, just overthinking it probably 😉
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I'm liking this new excuse pre-prepared for Razor: World Rugby is now more competitive.
What else can this thread conjure?
I’m almost hoping the ABs finish the test season with a losing record just to see some you guys go crazy. Meanwhile Razor will be laughing saying, three more years 😉
Don't worry you'll be a convert shortly.
Generally speaking I am surprised at the number of fins already circling the surfboard. We are not even in the water yet. -
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I'm liking this new excuse pre-prepared for Razor: World Rugby is now more competitive.
What else can this thread conjure?
I’m almost hoping the ABs finish the test season with a losing record just to see some you guys go crazy. Meanwhile Razor will be laughing saying, three more years 😉
Don't worry you'll be a convert shortly.
Generally speaking I am surprised at the number of fins already circling the surfboard. We are not even in the water yet.well, he's following a (/sarc) successful coach who took us within 1 point of a RWC with 14 v 15. So he's got big shoes to fill
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I wonder of they have introduced any KPIs since then, I guess historically putting win KPIs on an AB coach was a bit of a nothkng KPI
Personally, I'm more interested in direction than juts pure results. Hard to see how you put measurable, objective KPI's around that.
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I’m not sure Razor will be sacked or under the same public pressure as Foz was.
Oh, he will be.
if Razor, the golden boy, got fired for poor performance, where would NZR go from there?
NZR do a better job of supporting the coach?
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Generally speaking I am surprised at the number of fins already circling the surfboard. We are not even in the water yet.
Well I'm not circling any surfboard. Robertson's got a completely fresh sheet of paper to work with, plenty of time and an opportunity to produce the goods he wants to deliver.
If there's bumps along the way, then so be it - as long as the direction is generally forward.
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Generally speaking I am surprised at the number of fins already circling the surfboard. We are not even in the water yet.
If he selects donkeys he knows from Canterbury and we lose, brace yourself for the firestorm.
I don't think he'll do either, but there's an aura of fear given teh comments about Mo'unga, Whitelock and Fritzel.
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We have lost key players, notably our best ever locking combo, our best ever halfback, our starting 10, and our captain - so to me it is a rebuilding season. I think he's probably a pretty good coach, but to me at least he has a reasonable amount of leeway on results this year if we can see good plans and progress. If we were to lose e.g. McKenzie to injury, then it looks like a very tough year all of a sudden.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I'm liking this new excuse pre-prepared for Razor: World Rugby is now more competitive.
What else can this thread conjure?
I’m almost hoping the ABs finish the test season with a losing record just to see some you guys go crazy. Meanwhile Razor will be laughing saying, three more years 😉
Don't worry you'll be a convert shortly.
Generally speaking I am surprised at the number of fins already circling the surfboard. We are not even in the water yet.well, he's following a (/sarc) successful coach who took us within 1 point of a RWC with 14 v 15. So he's got big shoes to fill
I'm still pissed we didn't win that, we were the better team, two easy missed penalties from Jordie and Mo'unga.. that'll haunt them..
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
We have lost key players, notably our best ever locking combo, our best ever halfback, our starting 10, and our captain - so to me it is a rebuilding season. I think he's probably a pretty good coach, but to me at least he has a reasonable amount of leeway on results this year if we can see good plans and progress. If we were to lose e.g. McKenzie to injury, then it looks like a very tough year all of a sudden.
Canes not gone yet, but it is a tough year
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@nzzp And no new names were written down for the squad after the Semi Final. What they saw confirmed their opinions about a number of players they have been already looking at.
Can they make Super any more irrelevant?
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
2020 Foster record 3-1-2, losses to AUS ARG
2021 12-3, losing to SAR FRA IREWe thought 21 was a disaster and it was. That's got to be the bar
2020 was the big problem for Fozzie.
He got off to a terrible start and was always behind the eight ball afterwards, especially given perceptions that he'd never been a good head coach and was a bit of a "jobs for the boys" appointment. And especially because it was covid times and people were looking for some good news. I think the expectation would have been 6-0 for those series, but 5-1 would have been a pass mark.
By comparison, if Razor doesn't win 4-0 vs Australia and Argentina, he'll struggle mightily to achieve my 10-4 benchmark.
