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  • mariner4lifeM Offline
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    @bayimports said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @mariner4life nah, not having a full set of teeth, nor slept with a family member isn't a requirement these days

    Buller and Waikato had the same selectors?

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    @mariner4life yep, I am sure they get more of what they need to see from rewatching games than live.

    Especially when the footage is coded for them to see what they want and track who or what they want to see.

    Going to games is not a must, sure you will see things differently, but without a doubt, the bulk of decision making analysis will be done from footage, not from what they saw live.

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  • KiwiMurphK Online
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    @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    lol fuck you guys cannot be serious. It's not 1995 and Earl Kirton standing behind the poles in a scarf writing shit in a notebook.

    AB coaches go to Six Nations games live.

    They can certainly make a Friday night game in Auckland and a Saturday afternoon game in Wellington.

    no shit?

    So are you for or against them attending?

    why would i be against? I am really confused here.

    This is a sophisticated high performance environment. The idea that the choices are "go to go game" or "watch on TV" is idiotic.

    They would have detailed film breakdown of every player on their radar. Decisions would not be made on an in-person watch on Friday or Saturday. Those days are long gone.

    I guess I was confused too. i wasn't sure what point you were making but that clears it up

    It's interesting that in pro sport despite all the technology there is still value in seeing someone live in person.

    You hear about it a lot in US pro sports scouting around seeing a college QB prospect throw live etc.

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    As much as I love data, you can't be sure that a limited number of cameras are going to show the decision making off the ball and how that can shape the opposition's decisions. Even with GPS tracking there needs to be context behind the movement.

    Watching live can help cement judgements made on data - especially those players who make the effort to communicate to their teammates.

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    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    You hear about it a lot in US pro sports scouting around seeing a college QB prospect throw live etc.

    the eye test is still awesome even in the age of analytics.

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    You often hear coaches saying that they usually just focus on one player when watching live, or one player per half. They look at workrate with and without the ball, decision-making etc.

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    @MN5 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @MN5 the bike interaction was when I was down there a month ago. Totally separate occurrences. My uncle has a yarn to Razor most mornings at the local cafe down there, or at least when he's around. After meeting Razor, you would never guess he's the AB coach, such a rogue character and is super friendly with most of the frequent locals.

    He was meeting people yesterday (two blokes) my uncle didn't recognise and he was in ear shot when he went to purchase his coffee. Could hear them talking about the Canes and the three guys I mentioned but then obv had to shoot off.

    Not sure why Razor chose that cafe to have a meeting though because it's boutique and you almost have to shout to talk to the person next to you.

    Razor sure is a man of the people. I swear every second FB update I see is him in a selfie with someone I know.

    ( slight exaggeration, but still…..)

    Yeah he’s a great character. Hard to dislike the guy tbh.

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  • Victor MeldrewV Offline
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    @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    He was meeting people yesterday (two blokes) my uncle didn't recognise and he was in ear shot when he went to purchase his coffee.

    With the size of the coaching staff these days, I wouldn't be surprised if Robertson didn't recognise them either.

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    #2911

    I feel dumber for reading that whole conversation about coaches/selectors attending games or not attending games.

    Anyone who has played or coached knows there are benefits to both attending and/or watching on tv as well as rewatching a game back to focus on certain things/players.

    I think there is a whole bunch of confusion between everyone there😂

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    Anyway changing the subject. This inane gossip is doing my head in.

    Any merit starting with Ratima- DMac Jordie-Proctor

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    @Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    I feel dumber for reading that

    TSF's other motto.

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    Who are the refs for the series against England? Will red cards be 20 minutes?

    There have been a number of incidents in Super Rugby that would have been red carded by NH refs.

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    So Mrs Boo tonight...
    ..."Is Harry Plummer an All Black?"

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    @booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    So Mrs Boo tonight...
    ..."Is Harry Plummer an All Black?"

    He bloody well should be.

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    @Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    Who are the refs for the series against England? Will red cards be 20 minutes?

    There have been a number of incidents in Super Rugby that would have been red carded by NH refs.

    Refs aren't announced, will be full time red cards, unless they are under the trial laws

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  • BovidaeB Offline
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    @Tim

    Amashukeli and Berry.

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    @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Tim

    Amashukeli and Berry.

    There I'm talking shit, sorry, I totally forgot

    New Zealand v England
    Forsyth Barr Stadium, Dunedin
    Saturday, 6 July, 2024 Referee: Nika Amashukeli (GRU)
    Assistant Referee 1: Nic Berry (RA)
    Assistant Referee 2: Jordan Way (RA)
    TMO: Eric Gauzins (FFR)

    New Zealand v England
    Eden Park, Auckland
    Saturday, 13 July, 2024 Referee: Nic Berry (RA)
    Assistant Referee 1: Damon Murphy (RA)
    Assistant Referee 2: George Myers (RA)
    TMO: Brett Cronan (RA)

    Research says those trials won't be in place, but can't find definitive

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    @Machpants That first game might be a real shock, especially with a French TMO.

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  • Victor MeldrewV Offline
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    replied to Tim on last edited by
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    @Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Machpants That first game might be a real shock, especially with a French TMO.

    On the other hand, the Georgian Ref is really good - one of the best in the RWC

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    @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Machpants That first game might be a real shock, especially with a French TMO.

    On the other hand, the Georgian Ref is really good - one of the best in the RWC

    Wot?

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