All Blacks 2024
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Recent ABs coaching groups have always said they put a lot of emphasis on performance at the business end of the comp. That's going to (probably) adversely affect landers and saders players if true. But maybe Razor will prefer players that can go a full season with a low number of dips in form?
All very interesting as we really don't know his thinking or plans. This is the sort of thing NZR+ should be doing, Razor talking plans and players. Not hiding it all until the 'big reveal'I'd expect Razor is talking either to the Super coaches or the players themselves
Yeah I am more talking fan engagement, so much secrecy in ABs process. Open it up, it's an entertainment business now
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AB XV perhaps but he's done nothing to deserve an AB squad call up.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
AB XV perhaps but he's done nothing to deserve an AB squad call up.
He's been a little untidy at lineout and kickoffs. His strengths have been throwing his body around in general play plus he has a surprisingly good short passing game
I think he needs to
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
AB XV perhaps but he's done nothing to deserve an AB squad call up.
except play for Canterbury
seriously though, from the little I have seen he looks a future talent. Josh Lord as well - important for our locks to step up after the loss of BBBR and TLSW (The Legend Sam Whitelock; figured he needed a 4 letter acronym like others)
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
In addition to the above, the 7 loosies that I think will be selected for the All Blacks XV are:
- Brayden Iose (Hurricanes)
- Billy Harmon (Highlanders)
- Devan Flanders (Hurricanes)
- Brad Shields (Hurricanes)
- Luke Jacobsen (Chiefs)
- Cullen Grace (Crusaders)
- Du Plessis Kirifi (Hurricanes)
This shows we have great depth in NZ atm.
The 33-year-old former English international? In our development team? He is a good player, but someone a bit more future focused seems a better option. Not denying he is a top player, it is just his black shirt window may be over.
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Loose forwards surely the most fascinating... particularly openside.
Cane, Savea, Papalii, Harmon, Christie, Lakai, Segner, Kirifi... the list goes on. On form, Harmon would have to be in there, but wonder if being 29 at the start of a World Cup cycle may count against him - it really shouldn't though.
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Loose forwards surely the most fascinating... particularly openside.
I think a lot depends on how Robertson wants to play. That will swing towards a particular body shape and playstyle. Reality is we don't know - a light, mobile 7 may be the apex, or out of the squad.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Loose forwards surely the most fascinating... particularly openside.
I think a lot depends on how Robertson wants to play. That will swing towards a particular body shape and playstyle. Reality is we don't know - a light, mobile 7 may be the apex, or out of the squad.
IMO, at the minute only Ardie can hold a torch to Harmon, and he may well remain at 8. Considering the dominance of his side, Papalii has been a little meh. Cane is injured, and reckon they move past him anyway.
The only way you can justify him missing out, is if they decide to go with Ardie and Lakai (Potential) I reckon, but even then, from a utility standpoint, Harmon should be there.
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Loose forwards surely the most fascinating... particularly openside.
Cane, Savea, Papalii, Harmon, Christie, Lakai, Segner, Kirifi... the list goes on. On form, Harmon would have to be in there, but wonder if being 29 at the start of a World Cup cycle may count against him - it really shouldn't though.
Harmon just left his run a bit late. His open market value will be high right now too. If he doesn't get capped. I'd be very aurprised if he is in NZ next year.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Loose forwards surely the most fascinating... particularly openside.
I think a lot depends on how Robertson wants to play. That will swing towards a particular body shape and playstyle. Reality is we don't know - a light, mobile 7 may be the apex, or out of the squad.
And that is the million dollar question, we don't exactly know what Razor prefers style wise and that's going to impact quite a few selections, loosies, halfback & the back row notably.
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Loose forwards surely the most fascinating... particularly openside.
Cane, Savea, Papalii, Harmon, Christie, Lakai, Segner, Kirifi... the list goes on. On form, Harmon would have to be in there, but wonder if being 29 at the start of a World Cup cycle may count against him - it really shouldn't though.
I think Coaching Jesus will worry about the WC after seeing off England. That and securing the Bledisloe this year will be his first priorities. To achieve those, he'll want a squad of in form players.
That being said, I don't think Harmon's form is sufficiently ahead of others to merit a call up. The form of his team will ultimately deny him a cap.
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@SouthernMann said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
In addition to the above, the 7 loosies that I think will be selected for the All Blacks XV are:
- Brayden Iose (Hurricanes)
- Billy Harmon (Highlanders)
- Devan Flanders (Hurricanes)
- Brad Shields (Hurricanes)
- Luke Jacobsen (Chiefs)
- Cullen Grace (Crusaders)
- Du Plessis Kirifi (Hurricanes)
This shows we have great depth in NZ atm.
The 33-year-old former English international? In our development team? He is a good player, but someone a bit more future focused seems a better option. Not denying he is a top player, it is just his black shirt window may be over.
Yeah fair call, I just had him in there for experience and because of the physicality he offers but i think you’re right, no point developing an old player.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Knowler's All Blacks barometer is even more laughable, but there are plenty of comments so the clickbait is working.
He doesn’t have Proctor listed at all as a potential centre option. Absolute muppet.
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Scott Robertson request sees ‘versatile’ All Black named in surprise position for Crusaders
All Blacks boss Scott Robertson has made a request to the Crusaders which has prompted a backline shuffle for their clash with the Reds.
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Here are my predictions for Robertson's first All Blacks squad...
Hooker - Codie Taylor, Samisoni Taukei'aho, Asafo Aumua
I can't see any changes here. I don't think any of the young guys coming through are likely to be ready for Test rugby in the next year or two so I think Robertson will refrain from bringing in anyone new.Prop - Ethan de Groot, Xaver Numia, Tamaiti Williams, Fletcher Newell, Tyrel Lomax, Ofa Tu'ungafasi
The propping group is quite young and should be incredibly well resourced for the next Rugby World Cup. Numia has been performing well each week and I think that will be recognised.Locks - Scott Barrett, Tupou Vaa'i, Patrick Tuipulotu, Jamie Hannah
This is where I can see Robertson going for his first bolter. The likes of IWL and Laughlan McWhannell have been putting in some good shifts but I think with a few years to prep, Robertson will be looking to the World Cup and go for a young second-rower, even if he isn't necessarily ready for international rugby just yet. If Josh Lord is fit then I expect him to get selected ahead of Hannah.Loose forwards - Sam Cane, Ardie Savea, Peter Lakai, Samipeni Finau, Dalton Papali'i, Hoskins Sotutu
The only chance that Sam Cane isn't selected is if he's not fully recovered from his back injury. While his red card in the WC final was costly, they probably wouldn't have made it past the quarter-final against Ireland without him. Savea and Papali'i are incumbents in good form and Sotutu has probably earned a recall. I think Lakai grabs the last spot ahead of Brayden Iose and Luke Jacobson. He's still fairly raw but it's hard to imagine anyone better at bringing him up to standard than Robertson.Halfbacks - TJ Perenara, Finlay Christie, Cortez Ratima
Folau Fakatava has been pretty poor this season and needs more minutes under his belt to prove he can get back to the form he displayed pre-injury. Perenara and Christie are experienced and Ratima is the next cab off the ranks in my books.First five - Damian McKenzie, Beauden Barrett, Josh Jacomb
I can see Robertson going for another bolter here. I'm not certain it will be Jacomb but he's probably ahead of Ajay Faleafaga. Similar to lock, I don't think the selectors will opt for a mid-20s toiler.Midfield - Jordie Barrett, RIeko Ioane, Anton Lienert-Brown, Billy Proctor
Picks itself.Outside backs - Caleb Clarke, Mark Tele'a, Ruben Love, Sevu Reece, Shaun Stevenson
Similar to the midfield. These guys are all in form and, other than Love, have all been in the set-up before.Next cabs off the rank: George Bell, Saula Ma'u, Reuben O'Neill, Laghlan McWhannell, Luke Jacobson, Taufa Funaki, Stephen Perofeta, Rameka Poihipi, Emoni Narawa.
Narawa's selection is more probable than Stevenson's IMO.
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Throwing in a left field option ... based on one game this year but potential recognised last year. What if Levi Aumua keeps playing like last week?
Have seen players storm home in the latter part of the comp but have already been overshadowed by a player whose early season form slowly fades.
