All Blacks 2024
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@Bones I never used to think much of him but I feel like he has been very good this year. Numia has also been the inform LH so yeah, one of the 2 is gonna be unlucky as I feel that we're pretty well served up front.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones I never used to think much of him but I feel like he has been very good this year. Numia has also been the inform LH so yeah, one of the 2 is gonna be unlucky as I feel that we're pretty well served up front.
Bower appears to have a very high work rate this year and hits hard on both sides of the ball. Reckon he's one of the best post tackle.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I'll be mildly surprised if Bower misses out.
Me too.
The selection of the props will also depend on where they want to play Ofa (if selected). He is playing LH but would have to be a TH in the group @Mr-Fish chose. I don't see Williams as anything other than a LH at this stage.
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Recent ABs coaching groups have always said they put a lot of emphasis on performance at the business end of the comp. That's going to (probably) adversely affect landers and saders players if true. But maybe Razor will prefer players that can go a full season with a low number of dips in form?
All very interesting as we really don't know his thinking or plans. This is the sort of thing NZR+ should be doing, Razor talking plans and players. Not hiding it all until the 'big reveal' -
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Recent ABs coaching groups have always said they put a lot of emphasis on performance at the business end of the comp. That's going to (probably) adversely affect landers and saders players if true. But maybe Razor will prefer players that can go a full season with a low number of dips in form?
All very interesting as we really don't know his thinking or plans. This is the sort of thing NZR+ should be doing, Razor talking plans and players. Not hiding it all until the 'big reveal'I'd expect Razor is talking either to the Super coaches or the players themselves
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Recent ABs coaching groups have always said they put a lot of emphasis on performance at the business end of the comp. That's going to (probably) adversely affect landers and saders players if true. But maybe Razor will prefer players that can go a full season with a low number of dips in form?
All very interesting as we really don't know his thinking or plans. This is the sort of thing NZR+ should be doing, Razor talking plans and players. Not hiding it all until the 'big reveal'I'd expect Razor is talking either to the Super coaches or the players themselves
As he should be, anything AB coach says in public can be taken wrong and have expectations etc completely out of context etc.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Recent ABs coaching groups have always said they put a lot of emphasis on performance at the business end of the comp. That's going to (probably) adversely affect landers and saders players if true. But maybe Razor will prefer players that can go a full season with a low number of dips in form?
All very interesting as we really don't know his thinking or plans. This is the sort of thing NZR+ should be doing, Razor talking plans and players. Not hiding it all until the 'big reveal'I'd expect Razor is talking either to the Super coaches or the players themselves
Yeah I am more talking fan engagement, so much secrecy in ABs process. Open it up, it's an entertainment business now
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AB XV perhaps but he's done nothing to deserve an AB squad call up.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
AB XV perhaps but he's done nothing to deserve an AB squad call up.
He's been a little untidy at lineout and kickoffs. His strengths have been throwing his body around in general play plus he has a surprisingly good short passing game
I think he needs to
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
AB XV perhaps but he's done nothing to deserve an AB squad call up.
except play for Canterbury
seriously though, from the little I have seen he looks a future talent. Josh Lord as well - important for our locks to step up after the loss of BBBR and TLSW (The Legend Sam Whitelock; figured he needed a 4 letter acronym like others)
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
In addition to the above, the 7 loosies that I think will be selected for the All Blacks XV are:
- Brayden Iose (Hurricanes)
- Billy Harmon (Highlanders)
- Devan Flanders (Hurricanes)
- Brad Shields (Hurricanes)
- Luke Jacobsen (Chiefs)
- Cullen Grace (Crusaders)
- Du Plessis Kirifi (Hurricanes)
This shows we have great depth in NZ atm.
The 33-year-old former English international? In our development team? He is a good player, but someone a bit more future focused seems a better option. Not denying he is a top player, it is just his black shirt window may be over.
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Loose forwards surely the most fascinating... particularly openside.
Cane, Savea, Papalii, Harmon, Christie, Lakai, Segner, Kirifi... the list goes on. On form, Harmon would have to be in there, but wonder if being 29 at the start of a World Cup cycle may count against him - it really shouldn't though.
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Loose forwards surely the most fascinating... particularly openside.
I think a lot depends on how Robertson wants to play. That will swing towards a particular body shape and playstyle. Reality is we don't know - a light, mobile 7 may be the apex, or out of the squad.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Loose forwards surely the most fascinating... particularly openside.
I think a lot depends on how Robertson wants to play. That will swing towards a particular body shape and playstyle. Reality is we don't know - a light, mobile 7 may be the apex, or out of the squad.
IMO, at the minute only Ardie can hold a torch to Harmon, and he may well remain at 8. Considering the dominance of his side, Papalii has been a little meh. Cane is injured, and reckon they move past him anyway.
The only way you can justify him missing out, is if they decide to go with Ardie and Lakai (Potential) I reckon, but even then, from a utility standpoint, Harmon should be there.
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Loose forwards surely the most fascinating... particularly openside.
Cane, Savea, Papalii, Harmon, Christie, Lakai, Segner, Kirifi... the list goes on. On form, Harmon would have to be in there, but wonder if being 29 at the start of a World Cup cycle may count against him - it really shouldn't though.
Harmon just left his run a bit late. His open market value will be high right now too. If he doesn't get capped. I'd be very aurprised if he is in NZ next year.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Loose forwards surely the most fascinating... particularly openside.
I think a lot depends on how Robertson wants to play. That will swing towards a particular body shape and playstyle. Reality is we don't know - a light, mobile 7 may be the apex, or out of the squad.
And that is the million dollar question, we don't exactly know what Razor prefers style wise and that's going to impact quite a few selections, loosies, halfback & the back row notably.
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Loose forwards surely the most fascinating... particularly openside.
Cane, Savea, Papalii, Harmon, Christie, Lakai, Segner, Kirifi... the list goes on. On form, Harmon would have to be in there, but wonder if being 29 at the start of a World Cup cycle may count against him - it really shouldn't though.
I think Coaching Jesus will worry about the WC after seeing off England. That and securing the Bledisloe this year will be his first priorities. To achieve those, he'll want a squad of in form players.
That being said, I don't think Harmon's form is sufficiently ahead of others to merit a call up. The form of his team will ultimately deny him a cap.
