All Blacks 2024
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@Winger said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Peter Lakai and Brayden Iose might be a bit little to play Test Rugby in the Backrow but they've been outstanding so far this season.
They aren't locks or front row forwards
Lakai 21 1.86 110kg
Iose 25 1.88 105kg
Savea 1.88/1.90 105kg
McCaw 1.87 107kg
Cane 32 1.89 108kg
Kirifi 27 1.81 102kg (maybe too small)Lakai in particular is easily big enough for a test 7. For me that's where his future lies. I expect him to be an AB this year if his current form continues.
Iose is playing great rugby but might be considered too small for an ideal 8. But he is about the same size as Savea. And can also play 7. But I doubt if he will make it this year. Unless there are injuries.
Savea is so versatile he can adjust his height to suit playing openside ( 1.88 ) or number 8 ( 1.9 )
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It's amazing compared to 12 months ago the new talent that has arrived vying for a place in the ABs.
This year is guaranteed excitement. We could even have a loose trio of Savea, Finau and Sititi.The downer is knowing that NZR have given away 7.5% of the business or whatever it is and I have trouble making peace with that. It's incredible that NZR could be so short sighted. 2019-2023 was a complete and utter disaster for NZ rugby. WC excluded.
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Is T-cubed an option at 9 again?
What did he do wrong?
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Is T-cubed an option at 9 again?
What did he do wrong?
On the strength of one game where the opposition provided a training run?
Not sure if booboo meant because of the one game, but I wondered about the Funaki thing that I have read on forums, same thing unfortunately it hard to tell after playing such weak opposition.
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Possible New Caps based on the first half of the season: Numia, Walker-Leawere, McWhannell, Lakai, Iose, Proctor, Nanai-Seturo, Love, Ratumaitavuki-Kneepkens.
Peter Lakai and Brayden Iose might be a bit little to play Test Rugby in the Backrow but they've been outstanding so far this season.
Iose weighs more than Sotutu and Jacobson.
and so does Lakai.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Is T-cubed an option at 9 again?
What did he do wrong?
On the strength of one game where the opposition provided a training run?
I'm trying to work out what he did wrong 2-3 years ago.
I get Brad Weber overtook him, and I wouldn't have minded him in France in November I front of Christie ...
But I didn't get why T3 fell out of favour.
@Bovidae 's explanation is as good as I've seen.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Is T-cubed an option at 9 again?
What did he do wrong?
On the strength of one game where the opposition provided a training run?
Not sure if booboo meant because of the one game, but I wondered about the Funaki thing that I have read on forums, same thing unfortunately it hard to tell after playing such weak opposition.
Here.
I've counted Funaki in based on one game, this is absolutely true :), but I can't work out why T-cube forced his way out.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@booboo dunno if he did anything more wrong than, say, Brett Cameron.
Harsh.
Can't see where he played himself out.
Any conspiracy theories?
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@Winger said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Iose is playing great rugby but might be considered too small for an ideal 8. But he is about the same size as Savea. And can also play 7. But I doubt if he will make it this year. Unless there are injuries.
I like what I've seen of him. I think he could grow into an Ardie type - he doesn't look too small on TV. The only problem for him is NZ is blessed with loose forwards; there's serious competition.
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Is T-cubed an option at 9 again?
What did he do wrong?
On the strength of one game where the opposition provided a training run?
I'm trying to work out what he did wrong 2-3 years ago.
I get Brad Weber overtook him, and I wouldn't have minded him in France in November I front of Christie ...
But I didn't get why T3 fell out of favour.
Bryn Hall was probably the most hard done by between 2018-2022, he actually offered a point of difference compared to the others being a much bigger halfback. Also the Crusaders looked like a different team after his departure (Blues 2022 final) ever since Crusaders have sorely missed his influence.
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@booboo dunno if he did anything more wrong than, say, Brett Cameron.
Harsh.
Can't see where he played himself out.
Any conspiracy theories?
From what I remember he only got game time with the Chiefs when Weber was injured. Made the ABs based on that, then never really started ahead of Weber back at the Chiefs the next year.
So maybe not being as good as other halfbacks was his issue? Leading to less game time, which lead to a drop in performance.
Either that or Hansen and Fozzie didn't want to be caught calling him 'Trip' instead of his full name again.
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Only two games to base it on, but I've been impressed by the second string 9's in the last few games. Hopefully Robertson can have a word with Vern Cotter and Clayton McMillan to sound things out.
Unlike, wingers, we don't seem to have an abundance of recognised talent at half-back.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Dan54 Funaki has played more than one game. Has TTT played well in other games?
Yep mate, but never come up in discussion for ABs before as I recall. TTT was obviously an AB but has not exactly set the world on fire the last year or two has he(eithet at Chiefs or Crusaders)? That's what I meant, we probably need to see more top level rugby from them to suggest they near AB material. I certainly be happy if they do show it against good teams.
Whoops just came and added this, I can't talk about being quick of trigger, I was on here and telling people I reckoned I had seen a new AB halfback after seeing Roigard for about 20 minutes in a presesaon game last year!!
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@delicatessen said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
From what I remember he only got game time with the Chiefs when Weber was injured. Made the ABs based on that, then never really started ahead of Weber back at the Chiefs the next year.
Yeah, TTT didn't play much, and when he was given token minutes at the end of games probably tried too hard and wasn't that impressive. Remember that Christie was also a backup to Weber at one stage.
I think that there were some personal issues which affected his game after he made the ABs. Moving back to BOP more recently helped but often he didn't start for them in the NPC either.
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TTT was great for the Chiefs during the 2020 season before Covid hit (was much better than Weber IMO), then he got limited opportunities in Aotearoa.
Don't know if he's not a good trainer or whatever but he's one of those guys that, as mentioned, has only really been given small chances and has probably tried to overplay his hand.
