All Blacks 2024
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Look at Fozzie after 2 years - should have been sacked and it caused civil war in rugby circles.
you mean,
a) his two year contract shouldn't have been renewed, and
b) it should not have been done after the home part of the second season, before we went north and the wheels fell offNZR governance is appalling.
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Half of them will be Hurricanes, good times.
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@pakman everybody's saying Kirifi is too small for international footy. I would have agreed with them a year ago but he's had a huge off season and looks to have put on plenty of muscle, he's really playing well this year. Quite a number of good sevens running around atm including Harmon at the Landers so will be interesting to see who they pick.
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A bit more details in this article, if correct shows that Sam sounded the waters with NZE, Razor gave a positive response - as he should
Why the All Blacks are serious about giving Sam Whitelock one last hurrah
Scott Robertson has put out feelers to one of his most trusted Lieutenants in order to hit the ground running as New Zealand coach
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@cgrant Was going to say exactly same thing mate, Micheal Hooper wasn't big either.
Kirifi isn't Hooper level as a player even if he compares sizewise.
Wasn't suggeting he was or wasn't, just answering the he's to small for test rugby. I say crap, if h's good enough he's big enough, he's not that small.
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@Dan54 that part of the world would be a fantastic place to live. I suspect the meat grinder that is the top 14 is the problem.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@cgrant Was going to say exactly same thing mate, Micheal Hooper wasn't big either.
Kirifi isn't Hooper level as a player even if he compares sizewise.
Wasn't suggeting he was or wasn't, just answering the he's to small for test rugby. I say crap, if h's good enough he's big enough, he's not that small.
Yeah but a big crap player will always be better than a small crap player
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Dan54 that part of the world would be a fantastic place to live. I suspect the meat grinder that is the top 14 is the problem.
Oh yeah mate, but even with a great place to live, he's got young kids that are shool age who may or maybe not keen on being away from it all, and as you say top 14 could be a grind, especially if your heart wasn't in it.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@cgrant Was going to say exactly same thing mate, Micheal Hooper wasn't big either.
Kirifi isn't Hooper level as a player even if he compares sizewise.
Wasn't suggeting he was or wasn't, just answering the he's to small for test rugby. I say crap, if h's good enough he's big enough, he's not that small.
Yeah but a big crap player will always be better than a small crap player
Personally would never say he a crap player either mate, there not many crap players make super rugby anyway. Not all are ABs though.
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Yes an, there are lot of reasons that people may or may not settle in a place or want to stay long term.
There should be very good international schools for his kids - that shouldn’t be an issue and his club will have that down to a fine art I am sure.
If it is a decision to prolong his playing career and play in a comp that would suit him, then I have thought that Japan would be his best option to do that.
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@DaGrubster yep mate other thing is as I have said, Anton Oliver said he knew as soon as he played first game for Toulon it wasn't for him. As he said the day he stopped playing for ABs was day the music died, and he knew he was playing just for money. Some people it doesn't suit, some ot does.
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
As you say, the next 2 years are important for Razor to establish himself in international rugby
He's already established in international rugby - he's the bloody Head Coach of the bloody All Blacks.. He didn't think lack of international experience was an issue when going for the job so I don't see why it should be now NZR's actually given him the gig for 4 years.
I'd prefer he uses his time to develop his team based on the current AB core and the talent available to him. If he loses a few on the way then fine, as long as there's development I'd be OK with that.
But if he want's to go for a short-term sticking plaster approach with 37 yr-old retired players in key positions to ensure a good win ratio, then that speaks volumes for his player development skills to me - and not in a good way.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
If he loses a few on the way then fine, as long as there's development I'd be OK with that
Oh cool. Someone tell Razor don't worry about losing a few games cos Victor Meldrew says not to worry it's sweet.
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Nice ad hom, but not what I said.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Nice ad hom, but not what I said.
We don't know if Whitelock even came back how many games he would be playing - players can be developed and Whitelock can return. It's not mutually exclusive.
Other locks will get more gametime just with the loss of Retallick and that's not accounting for any more injuries.
Whitelock might be being eyed up to play the Dane Coles role of senior old pro towards the end of the depth chart (to use a US sports term).
It might be that they really rate this young Holland kid head and shoulders above the other players not already in the squad but he's not eligible til next year.
I'm not really sure who these mythical players are that would miss out on development if Whitelock returned.
