All Blacks 2024
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I completely agree with this though:
How about we wait and see how the ABs actually play before jumping to conclusions.
However I am far too impatient to wait for that
Also, where is the fun in that?
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I don't think our depth is as shallow as people are making out, especially at lock.
I think part of the problem is that Sam W and BBBR almost arrived perfectly formed at AB level, and now we expect all locks too.
I think we'll Dane Coles some locks, as in we'll pick them, give them proper regular gametime and they'll be the business.
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@Nepia also, SW, BR and SB all have/had huge motors, meaning they could play alot of minutes, menaing there was often no need to blood the next lot, particulalrly in a RWC year.
Fozzie was also coppin gheat due to losses so was obviously playing his best lineup as often as he could, that I guess from his point (and probably fairly) meant his intention was to try to win rather than worry about what happens next year.
That said, but for his injury, I think Lord would have played alot more minutes, plenty of expectation levelled at him.
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With Lord or Vai'i at lock, who are both not very physical, two big bruisers are going to be needed in the loose forwards. Akira Ioane is making a very good comeback and I would not be against a trio made of Finau - Savea - Ioane, with Sotutu or Papa'ali on the bench.
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Potentially mate they could be.
I think all of this speculation from some newspaper articles is just that. Speculation.
If Whitelock doesn’t want to extend his contract then he will be looking for another gig and I am sure having a discussion with Razor about coming back is an option for him, amongst others.
I can see the benefit of bringing him back for the next 2 years - he could still provide lots of experience off the bench, starting at a pinch and mentor a number of young locks that are coming through and be a de facto lineout/lock coach.
As you say, the next 2 years are important for Razor to establish himself in international rugby and give him the platform for the lead up to and including the next RWC, and he is looking at all the tools he can use to make him successful, especially in a short term problem area of locking depth.
Look at Fozzie after 2 years - should have been sacked and it caused civil war in rugby circles.
Razor would do well to avoid the same scenario so I see no issue with him having discussions with ex-players and giving himself the best chance of being successful. Let’s face it, this year is a brutal test schedule.
Where would we rather be? Winning 14/tests with Sam Whitelock playing 30 minutes of 10 of those games as they blood Lord and Darry further?
Or winning 9 out of 15 games but thankfully we didn’t waste any money on a lock who is past it?
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Look at Fozzie after 2 years - should have been sacked and it caused civil war in rugby circles.
you mean,
a) his two year contract shouldn't have been renewed, and
b) it should not have been done after the home part of the second season, before we went north and the wheels fell offNZR governance is appalling.
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Half of them will be Hurricanes, good times.
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@pakman everybody's saying Kirifi is too small for international footy. I would have agreed with them a year ago but he's had a huge off season and looks to have put on plenty of muscle, he's really playing well this year. Quite a number of good sevens running around atm including Harmon at the Landers so will be interesting to see who they pick.
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A bit more details in this article, if correct shows that Sam sounded the waters with NZE, Razor gave a positive response - as he should
Why the All Blacks are serious about giving Sam Whitelock one last hurrah
Scott Robertson has put out feelers to one of his most trusted Lieutenants in order to hit the ground running as New Zealand coach
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@cgrant Was going to say exactly same thing mate, Micheal Hooper wasn't big either.
Kirifi isn't Hooper level as a player even if he compares sizewise.
Wasn't suggeting he was or wasn't, just answering the he's to small for test rugby. I say crap, if h's good enough he's big enough, he's not that small.
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@Dan54 that part of the world would be a fantastic place to live. I suspect the meat grinder that is the top 14 is the problem.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@cgrant Was going to say exactly same thing mate, Micheal Hooper wasn't big either.
Kirifi isn't Hooper level as a player even if he compares sizewise.
Wasn't suggeting he was or wasn't, just answering the he's to small for test rugby. I say crap, if h's good enough he's big enough, he's not that small.
Yeah but a big crap player will always be better than a small crap player
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Dan54 that part of the world would be a fantastic place to live. I suspect the meat grinder that is the top 14 is the problem.
Oh yeah mate, but even with a great place to live, he's got young kids that are shool age who may or maybe not keen on being away from it all, and as you say top 14 could be a grind, especially if your heart wasn't in it.
