All Blacks 2024
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Probably only out of necessity due to the fact we have 15 tests this year.
It’s astonishing really that we have only have 1 test class lock in NZ currently.
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
It’s astonishing really that we have only have 1 test class lock in NZ currently.
Lord is test class he just needs to stay fit. He was excellent vs Argies in B.A. last year.
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
It’s astonishing really that we have only have 1 test class lock in NZ currently.
to be fair, what other country would have two ready-made replacements having just lost two guys at the same time who have been the premier duo for 12 years and have 262 tests between them?
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
It’s astonishing really that we have only have 1 test class lock in NZ currently.
to be fair, what other country would have two ready-made replacements having just lost two guys at the same time who have been the premier duo for 12 years and have 262 tests between them?
South Africa? Lost matfield and botha - and got Etzebeth and some other monsters (all from memory)
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I can’t wait until the squad is actually selected so that the echo chambers of mindless speculation are finished.
loool
we'll just move to a new chamber
With Robertson and Ryan in I’m already raging. I just KNOW the ABs are going to be full of players from tauranga and buller. Such fckn favouritism.
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The selectors have a history that I’m referencing. Apologies for having an opinion that you don’t like
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@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
The selectors have a history that I’m referencing. Apologies for having an opinion that you don’t like
Apology accepted.
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@DaGrubster I not convinced Vaai isn't good enough for test rugby. He's not Rettalick or Sam W, but I still think he better than many are giving him credit for. You know how it goes on forums, one or 2 say someone not up to it, and a few others get feel it the way to go. Ryan etc haven't been picking him for fun.
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@KiwiMurph yeah, i think the whole 6 can play lock and vice versa needs to be wound back...theyre not the same position, scooter doing it when we had BBBR and Whitelock only just worked...but i think you need more specialists in those positions
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph yeah, i think the whole 6 can play lock and vice versa needs to be wound back...theyre not the same position, scooter doing it when we had BBBR and Whitelock only just worked...but i think you need more specialists in those positions
A lock/6 does provide an option for bench cover.
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@booboo that's fair and i might not have worded it right, it can be handy if one of your three can do it like BBBR,whitelock and Scooter....but i dont think it should be the default for all our locks as i just think becoming world class in one position is hard enough....let alone two
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Kaino in Chicago v Ireland.
Yeah but that was Kaino and Tuipulotu (no BBBR or SW). What could go wrong?
You need to use the right player who could fill both roles.
I'm not sold on needing a lock/6 as long as the loose forwards have enough versatility to cover multiple positions.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I'm not sold on needing a lock/6 as long as the loose forwards have enough versatility to cover multiple positions.
That's the trade off isn't it. A 6/lock makes it easier to select a specialist openside on the bench. That can be a good option.
However it's easier to find an allrounder loose forward than a good 6/lock
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@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I'm not sold on needing a lock/6 as long as the loose forwards have enough versatility to cover multiple positions.
That's the trade off isn't it. A 6/lock makes it easier to select a specialist openside on the bench. That can be a good option.
However it's easier to find an allrounder loose forward than a good 6/lock
A lot of our loonies seem to be able to cover multiple positions, Savea (think he's maybe available?), Blackadder (injury permitting), Papaalii, Jacobsen ... others), but a lock who could cover 6 gives a bit more cover for high attrition positions without having to go all Rassie with the forward/back bench split.
