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  • DuluthD Offline
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    @Billy-Tell

    The selectors have a history that I’m referencing. Apologies for having an opinion that you don’t like

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    @Duluth I do too. I have no problem with it if he does. He'd obviously be a stop gap, but we are a bit short in that area and he has worked with the coaches in the past obviously.

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    @Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Billy-Tell

    The selectors have a history that I’m referencing. Apologies for having an opinion that you don’t like

    Apology accepted.

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    @DaGrubster I not convinced Vaai isn't good enough for test rugby. He's not Rettalick or Sam W, but I still think he better than many are giving him credit for. You know how it goes on forums, one or 2 say someone not up to it, and a few others get feel it the way to go. Ryan etc haven't been picking him for fun.

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    @Dan54 not picking Vaai at 6 would be a good start

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    @KiwiMurph yeah, i think the whole 6 can play lock and vice versa needs to be wound back...theyre not the same position, scooter doing it when we had BBBR and Whitelock only just worked...but i think you need more specialists in those positions

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    @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @KiwiMurph yeah, i think the whole 6 can play lock and vice versa needs to be wound back...theyre not the same position, scooter doing it when we had BBBR and Whitelock only just worked...but i think you need more specialists in those positions

    A lock/6 does provide an option for bench cover.

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    @booboo that's fair and i might not have worded it right, it can be handy if one of your three can do it like BBBR,whitelock and Scooter....but i dont think it should be the default for all our locks as i just think becoming world class in one position is hard enough....let alone two

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    It's easier to move a 6 into lock than vice versa. The main concern would be losing some power in the scrums but most 6s were often locks at age-group level. SB struggled defending from scrums, and he is one of the more mobile locks around.

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    @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    It's easier to move a 6 into lock than vice versa.

    Kaino in Chicago v Ireland.

    You're right - it should work ... but sometimes it doesn't go well

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    @nzzp i would go as far as to say if doesnt work more often than it does

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    @nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    Kaino in Chicago v Ireland.

    Yeah but that was Kaino and Tuipulotu (no BBBR or SW). What could go wrong?

    You need to use the right player who could fill both roles.

    I'm not sold on needing a lock/6 as long as the loose forwards have enough versatility to cover multiple positions.

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    @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    I'm not sold on needing a lock/6 as long as the loose forwards have enough versatility to cover multiple positions.

    That's the trade off isn't it. A 6/lock makes it easier to select a specialist openside on the bench. That can be a good option.

    However it's easier to find an allrounder loose forward than a good 6/lock

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    @Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    I'm not sold on needing a lock/6 as long as the loose forwards have enough versatility to cover multiple positions.

    That's the trade off isn't it. A 6/lock makes it easier to select a specialist openside on the bench. That can be a good option.

    However it's easier to find an allrounder loose forward than a good 6/lock

    A lot of our loonies seem to be able to cover multiple positions, Savea (think he's maybe available?), Blackadder (injury permitting), Papaalii, Jacobsen ... others), but a lock who could cover 6 gives a bit more cover for high attrition positions without having to go all Rassie with the forward/back bench split.

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    @booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    A lot of our loonies seem to be able to cover multiple positions, Savea (think he's maybe available?), Blackadder (injury permitting), Papaalii, Jacobsen ... others)

    It'd be quicker to list the genuine specialists: Christie, Sotutu.. not many others

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    @booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    but a lock who could cover 6 gives a bit more cover for high attrition positions without having to go all Rassie with the forward/back bench split.

    That's assuming that the lock can effectively play 6.

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    @Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    I'm not sold on needing a lock/6 as long as the loose forwards have enough versatility to cover multiple positions.

    That's the trade off isn't it. A 6/lock makes it easier to select a specialist openside on the bench. That can be a good option.

    However it's easier to find an allrounder loose forward than a good 6/lock

    It will be really interesting to see what Razor wants to do here - we have some useful allrounders in Jacobson and Blackadder (if he is ever fit) but I wonder what he will be looking for in his 7 and 8.

    I'm wondering whether Ardie is going to return to 7.

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    I'd like Ardie to go back to 7, would balance out the loose forward trio. Finau, Ardie, Sotutu gives us plenty of speed and go-forward.

    In saying that Finau, Paps and Ardie certainly isn't bad either.

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    Ardie would have to change the way he plays to revert to 7. does that minimise what has made him so good

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    And whilst this is simply a wild conspiricy theory on my part I do wonder with Robertson (supposedly) wanting to get experienced Crusaders players back (SW & RM) is due to him wanting to win the sheds over quickly?

    Maybe he's worried that he hasn't got the room given how the RWC and the bunker mentality that was built there and by having supporters and the respected voices such as SW and RM in the room it'll help "smooth the path"?

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