RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks
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@Bovidae said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I agree, Barnes won't stand for delaying tactics as much as Raynal. But I fear the hosts will want a French ref
I'm picking Barnes for the final and Raynal for that other game.
Barnes is nailed on for the final. As O'Keeffe has done two knockout games he is unlikely for 3v4, and it could be any of them.
I'd actually like to see them dip outside of what they have already used with the Georgian boy, but we will see. Is he even still there?
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@stodders said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@frugby SA aren’t Ireland in terms of their attacking patterns. The Boks aim to run over you, not so much around you. This style doesn’t expose Laulala as much as it would against France or Ireland
Laulala can tackle, that of course isn't an issue... but he is lazy at the breakdown, and has feet where his hands are.
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@taniwharugby said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
2 each, but SA won the big game and aside from the 2003 match, the rest have been a few points in it.
2019 pool game - we won that one as well.
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@george33 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I'd C Nepo and Ofa return with Coles also, experience needed otherwise no other changes
Experience isn't always needed. We have been infinitely better for the two young props. You can form arguments for Ofa, but there is no way Laulala should replace Newell.
Colesy does come in for Samisoni though I would think.
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@tubbyj said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
SA should be massive favourites.
NZ is always the favorite against the Boks, you guys have a 69% win record since 92, and 70% in the last 10 years. Nice try, but we are the underdogs going in, we have to step up our game to hang with NZ
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@frugby the Irish and Argentina bench offers nothing like the Boks do that's why I feel they mite go for power and experience over youth and Christie has put the halfback situation to bed thought he added alot more speed when he come on his pass makes Roigards look slow
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@rustycruiser said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@tubbyj said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
SA should be massive favourites.
NZ is always the favorite against the Boks, you guys have a 69% win record since 92, and 70% in the last 10 years. Nice try, but we are the underdogs going in, we have to step up our game to hang with NZ
3/3 under Foster
SA 2 wins 1 loss against Foster’s AB’s at neutral venues
NZ 100% confirmed underdogs
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5 NZ win, 4 SA win, 1 draw since 2018 with most of the current players in both teams. But I am still claiming David to your Goliath. lol
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@george33 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@frugby the Irish and Argentina bench offers nothing like the Boks do that's why I feel they mite go for power and experience over youth and Christie has put the halfback situation to bed thought he added alot more speed when he come on his pass makes Roigards look slow
Let's hope the Boks lose a back or two early, so we can see their fatties lining up in the backline
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Not really sure there is a favourite in this game. Rather, various advantages.
I think the forecast wet weather, should it arise would favour the Boks.
I think having played an easier quarter, and getting an extra day's recovery is a significant advantage for New Zealand
I think Wayne Barnes reffing (if it is him) probably favours New Zealand, as he is more likely to let the game flow than a Raynal
As a pure guess, I'd suspect there are more South African fans, which is an advantage for themThere are things both ways, it will come down to fine margins you'd think. It won't be the coaches or the players I don't think. It is likely to be just like this morning, where it is purely a late decision either way with an interpretation of the rules. In no way is it the referee's fault, but the fact is, when a game is decided by a score, generally speaking there is going to be a 'decision' often one that is purely 50/50, and we'll either love it or hate it.
Go the All Blacks!
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@frugby said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I'd actually like to see them dip outside of what they have already used with the Georgian boy, but we will see. Is he even still there?
It looked like him running the water for O'Keeffe. Honestly, I don't care who refs that game as I have no interest.
As to the AB team, I think Laulala for Newell is more likely than Tuʻungafasi for Williams if a change is made. The same starting forward pack as for Ireland.
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@tubbyj said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
SA should be massive favourites.
RWC finals are always tight nervy affairs. SA has given 2 masterclasses in a row on how to win such games. NZ has just given masterclasses on how to give away yellow cards in such situations.
NZ even in its knockout wins have struggled to exit their own 22. The clearing kickers are all only capable of kicking short distances and are more prone to skewing it off the side of the boot. More often NZ win the lineout on their own 22 then kick it out 2 metres further down field from where they won it. SA has consistently cleared it up to the halfway line
Last game we struggled to repel the Boks mauls and scrum. We are likely to pick a very inexperienced reserve front row again.
Mark Telea was exposed against the Argentines as being average under the high ball. No way Rassie Erasmus has not noted this.
SA have more veterans likely to be in their last RWC and probably likely to retire straight after. They will be more incentivized to send these players out as winners.
SA players have more experience playing under NH refs with their players exposed to them in the URC. NZ is more likely to run foul of their interpretations.
The neutrals despite what they will claim will want SA to win. The Irish will be obsessed with seeing NZ punished for beating them, the English will want the Saffers to win so they can believe they were a whisker from winning the whole thing and the Welsh and Scottish will see more sport in winding up NZ fans after a loss. French, Argentinian and Italian fans will probably support NZ but it will be lost in translation.
Finally Rassie Erasmus is a proven RWC winning coach. Ian Foster couldn't even win a Super rugby title, Joe Schmidt couldn't get the Irish past the quarterfinals and Jason Ryan is still finding his feet at International level.
Do they ?
We have Coles, Taylor, Whitelock, Cane, Smith, B Barrett……..plus maybe some others ?
I don’t really follow ABs on social media like others so forgive me if I’m wrong on some of these.
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@Bovidae said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@frugby said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I'd actually like to see them dip outside of what they have already used with the Georgian boy, but we will see. Is he even still there?
It looked like him running the water for O'Keeffe. Honestly, I don't care who refs that game as I have no interest.
As to the AB team, I think Laulala for Newell is more likely than Tuʻungafasi for Williams if a change is made. The same starting forward pack as for Ireland.
Agree r.e the referee, particularly for 3v4. Barnes will do the ABs, I'd be stunned if he doesn't.
Can't see Jase Ryan dropping any of the props... Lomax and Newell have been more or less the preferred pairing when fit and available from the moment he came into the job. I think if (and they won't be) worried about the scrum, then I'm not sure picking Nepo who increases the likelihood of scrums, is actually the money selection anyway.
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@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@tubbyj said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
SA should be massive favourites.
RWC finals are always tight nervy affairs. SA has given 2 masterclasses in a row on how to win such games. NZ has just given masterclasses on how to give away yellow cards in such situations.
NZ even in its knockout wins have struggled to exit their own 22. The clearing kickers are all only capable of kicking short distances and are more prone to skewing it off the side of the boot. More often NZ win the lineout on their own 22 then kick it out 2 metres further down field from where they won it. SA has consistently cleared it up to the halfway line
Last game we struggled to repel the Boks mauls and scrum. We are likely to pick a very inexperienced reserve front row again.
Mark Telea was exposed against the Argentines as being average under the high ball. No way Rassie Erasmus has not noted this.
SA have more veterans likely to be in their last RWC and probably likely to retire straight after. They will be more incentivized to send these players out as winners.
SA players have more experience playing under NH refs with their players exposed to them in the URC. NZ is more likely to run foul of their interpretations.
The neutrals despite what they will claim will want SA to win. The Irish will be obsessed with seeing NZ punished for beating them, the English will want the Saffers to win so they can believe they were a whisker from winning the whole thing and the Welsh and Scottish will see more sport in winding up NZ fans after a loss. French, Argentinian and Italian fans will probably support NZ but it will be lost in translation.
Finally Rassie Erasmus is a proven RWC winning coach. Ian Foster couldn't even win a Super rugby title, Joe Schmidt couldn't get the Irish past the quarterfinals and Jason Ryan is still finding his feet at International level.
Do they ?
We have Coles, Taylor, Whitelock, Cane, Smith, B Barrett……..plus maybe some others ?
I don’t really follow ABs on social media like others so forgive me if I’m wrong on some of these.
Of those mentioned, Taylor and Cane are signed until 2025, Whitelock is going to France, Smith to Japan until 2026 and Barrett the same until 2025, and he still seems keen on a return after that.
Of that group, Coles is the only one flat out retiring, and Whitelock is the only other nailed on to never play for the ABs ever again.
With how fit he is, I really wouldn't count out Aaron Smith coming back to New Zealand in 2027... whether he cracks the ABs will be purely dependent on whether we have established three good halfbacks, which I think we will definitely have two by that stage.
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@frugby said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@tubbyj said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
SA should be massive favourites.
RWC finals are always tight nervy affairs. SA has given 2 masterclasses in a row on how to win such games. NZ has just given masterclasses on how to give away yellow cards in such situations.
NZ even in its knockout wins have struggled to exit their own 22. The clearing kickers are all only capable of kicking short distances and are more prone to skewing it off the side of the boot. More often NZ win the lineout on their own 22 then kick it out 2 metres further down field from where they won it. SA has consistently cleared it up to the halfway line
Last game we struggled to repel the Boks mauls and scrum. We are likely to pick a very inexperienced reserve front row again.
Mark Telea was exposed against the Argentines as being average under the high ball. No way Rassie Erasmus has not noted this.
SA have more veterans likely to be in their last RWC and probably likely to retire straight after. They will be more incentivized to send these players out as winners.
SA players have more experience playing under NH refs with their players exposed to them in the URC. NZ is more likely to run foul of their interpretations.
The neutrals despite what they will claim will want SA to win. The Irish will be obsessed with seeing NZ punished for beating them, the English will want the Saffers to win so they can believe they were a whisker from winning the whole thing and the Welsh and Scottish will see more sport in winding up NZ fans after a loss. French, Argentinian and Italian fans will probably support NZ but it will be lost in translation.
Finally Rassie Erasmus is a proven RWC winning coach. Ian Foster couldn't even win a Super rugby title, Joe Schmidt couldn't get the Irish past the quarterfinals and Jason Ryan is still finding his feet at International level.
Do they ?
We have Coles, Taylor, Whitelock, Cane, Smith, B Barrett……..plus maybe some others ?
I don’t really follow ABs on social media like others so forgive me if I’m wrong on some of these.
Of those mentioned, Taylor and Cane are signed until 2025, Whitelock is going to France, Smith to Japan until 2026 and Barrett the same until 2025, and he still seems keen on a return after that.
Of that group, Coles is the only one flat out retiring, and Whitelock is the only other nailed on to never play for the ABs ever again.
With how fit he is, I really wouldn't count out Aaron Smith coming back to New Zealand in 2027... whether he cracks the ABs will be purely dependent on whether we have established three good halfbacks, which I think we will definitely have two by that stage.
Fair enough, I stand corrected. A quick google indicates some of these guys aren’t actually as old as I thought.
Smith may do a Nonu and still be awesome despite technically retiring from internationals.
I can’t see Cane going on much longer but he’s having something of a renaissance as is Taylor.
