RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks
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I think we have met in RWC's;
1995 - SA win
1999 - 3rd/4th play off, SA win
2003 - 1/4 NZ win
2015 - semi NZ win2 each, but SA won the big game and aside from the 2003 match, the rest have been a few points in it.
So the pattern emerging, they won the final, then won the 3rd spot, then lose a 1/4, lose a semi, means a final is to be lost next...
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@Chris said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Steven-Harris said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Mathieu Raynal i
Would probably suit the Boks and is inclined to do something radical which is a worry.
I would prefer Barnes he lets the game flow more.
Props are a question Nepo can be a penalty magnet and is not the best defender.
50/50 call for the reserves props I think.
Williams might be handy with some go forward in the last 20 minutes.Stick with the young boys. They haven't let us down, and have actually been very good. They also offer something around the field, which Nepo in particular does not.
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@Bovidae said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I agree, Barnes won't stand for delaying tactics as much as Raynal. But I fear the hosts will want a French ref
I'm picking Barnes for the final and Raynal for that other game.
Barnes is nailed on for the final. As O'Keeffe has done two knockout games he is unlikely for 3v4, and it could be any of them.
I'd actually like to see them dip outside of what they have already used with the Georgian boy, but we will see. Is he even still there?
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@stodders said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@frugby SA aren’t Ireland in terms of their attacking patterns. The Boks aim to run over you, not so much around you. This style doesn’t expose Laulala as much as it would against France or Ireland
Laulala can tackle, that of course isn't an issue... but he is lazy at the breakdown, and has feet where his hands are.
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@taniwharugby said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
2 each, but SA won the big game and aside from the 2003 match, the rest have been a few points in it.
2019 pool game - we won that one as well.
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@george33 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I'd C Nepo and Ofa return with Coles also, experience needed otherwise no other changes
Experience isn't always needed. We have been infinitely better for the two young props. You can form arguments for Ofa, but there is no way Laulala should replace Newell.
Colesy does come in for Samisoni though I would think.
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@tubbyj said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
SA should be massive favourites.
NZ is always the favorite against the Boks, you guys have a 69% win record since 92, and 70% in the last 10 years. Nice try, but we are the underdogs going in, we have to step up our game to hang with NZ
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@frugby the Irish and Argentina bench offers nothing like the Boks do that's why I feel they mite go for power and experience over youth and Christie has put the halfback situation to bed thought he added alot more speed when he come on his pass makes Roigards look slow
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@rustycruiser said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@tubbyj said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
SA should be massive favourites.
NZ is always the favorite against the Boks, you guys have a 69% win record since 92, and 70% in the last 10 years. Nice try, but we are the underdogs going in, we have to step up our game to hang with NZ
3/3 under Foster
SA 2 wins 1 loss against Foster’s AB’s at neutral venues
NZ 100% confirmed underdogs
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5 NZ win, 4 SA win, 1 draw since 2018 with most of the current players in both teams. But I am still claiming David to your Goliath. lol
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@george33 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@frugby the Irish and Argentina bench offers nothing like the Boks do that's why I feel they mite go for power and experience over youth and Christie has put the halfback situation to bed thought he added alot more speed when he come on his pass makes Roigards look slow
Let's hope the Boks lose a back or two early, so we can see their fatties lining up in the backline
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Not really sure there is a favourite in this game. Rather, various advantages.
I think the forecast wet weather, should it arise would favour the Boks.
I think having played an easier quarter, and getting an extra day's recovery is a significant advantage for New Zealand
I think Wayne Barnes reffing (if it is him) probably favours New Zealand, as he is more likely to let the game flow than a Raynal
As a pure guess, I'd suspect there are more South African fans, which is an advantage for themThere are things both ways, it will come down to fine margins you'd think. It won't be the coaches or the players I don't think. It is likely to be just like this morning, where it is purely a late decision either way with an interpretation of the rules. In no way is it the referee's fault, but the fact is, when a game is decided by a score, generally speaking there is going to be a 'decision' often one that is purely 50/50, and we'll either love it or hate it.
Go the All Blacks!
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@frugby said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I'd actually like to see them dip outside of what they have already used with the Georgian boy, but we will see. Is he even still there?
It looked like him running the water for O'Keeffe. Honestly, I don't care who refs that game as I have no interest.
As to the AB team, I think Laulala for Newell is more likely than Tuʻungafasi for Williams if a change is made. The same starting forward pack as for Ireland.
