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    I just would like to put it on record that the Saffas can thank their lucky stars

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    And Ardie is the man!

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    @Nevorian said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

    I just would like to put it on record that the Saffas can thank their lucky stars

    We do. Every day. Isn’t life grand?

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    @pakman mostly what jumps out when you start comparing players like PSTD and Smith or teams like 09 or 97 to the current team, is how much better coached the current players and team are.

    I’d love to see what Smith could’ve done in this squad under Rassie and Nienaber or how a young Bismarck, Frans Steyn or Skinstad might’ve developed.

    Make no mistake, PSTD is a special player, but the huge hits he made repeatedly on midbarrett were set up in the film room and the product of the bok systems tweaked specifically for this game.

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    @Billy-Webb said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

    For what it's worth, I would try and find a way to play both Juan Smith and PSDT if ever it were possible.

    8 - 0 bench?

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    I'll play Chuck Norris broer, Kwagga Smith

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    @Snowy said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

    @Billy-Webb said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

    For what it's worth, I would try and find a way to play both Juan Smith and PSDT if ever it were possible.

    8 - 0 bench?

    9 minus 1 if they could.

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    This is so embarrassing, the world will be laugh at us now. Booking a substandard hotel is bad enough but to have it reported makes it sound like we are making excuses for the loss. Wish Paul had not reported the story.

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    @Unite said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

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    @booboo said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

    I'm afraid I agree with @MiketheSnow.

    After my initial indignation I've taken it to mean he didn't see the replay and explained what he (thought he) saw.

    Not that he apologised because he got it wrong and had subsequently seen the error of his ways.

    i.e., "Sorry, didn't see the replay." Full stop.
    "I thought you stayed on him, I didn't see you come off enough"

    HOWEVER the decision was still wrong and I don't see why the TMO can't intervene on that scoring play but can (not that he could really) on a knock on.

    The TMO can't rule on more than 2 phases before a try is scored, but that didn't stop him. What a farce rugby is right now

    This was mentioned on the Aotearoa Rugby Pod that it is a guideline, not a rule, the 2 phase thing

    Based on what? It's clearly written in the protocol how many phases for general play and that no phase restriction exists for foul play. If it was to be a guideline, it would state such, or they'd use an adjective such as few.

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    @No-Quarter said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

    @Catogrande the refs being told they have to try and determine the "force" of a head shot is actually a massive problem. You'd need a medical degree and to run some tests to see which head knock is worse - they are just judging it on what it looked like, not how serious it actually was. As you allude to that's going to lead to massive inconsistencies as it is largely subjective at the time.

    The idea that Kolisi running 10 metres to hit Ardie in the face with his head had less force than Kriel stepping into a near stationary Cane is fucking laughable.

    As ludicrous as Barnes' idiotic call of an absorbing tackle on Retallick. The only thing absorbing the force of that tackle was Brodie's broken cheekbone.

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    @Catogrande said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

    @No-Quarter said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

    If we compare it to the law - when the ref hands out a red card to a player on the pitch he is saying he is guilty until proven innocent. That's back to front.

    Yes but if guilty that does not punish the offending team in the game it happened in and does not recompense the team that was on the wrong end of the offence. It just makes it potentially easier for the teams that follow in the ensuing weeks, whilst also allowing the offending team to factor it all in at a later date.

    No easy answers.

    There are easy answers. You conduct a review with more time for incidents that may include headshots to determine the impact and dispassionately arrive at a suitable punishment of the player.

    That way the paying public and the game doesn't suffer immediately. This was the flagship of the game and it was made to look incomprehensible. "Growing the game" my arse.

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    @akan004 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

    This is so embarrassing, the world will be laugh at us now. Booking a substandard hotel is bad enough but to have it reported makes it sound like we are making excuses for the loss. Wish Paul had not reported the story.

    'Sub-standard': All Blacks stayed in 'dog of a hotel' on eve of World Cup

    I disagree. Plenty of other teams esp Tier 1 teams, would’ve complained about this.

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    @scribe said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

    @akan004 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

    This is so embarrassing, the world will be laugh at us now. Booking a substandard hotel is bad enough but to have it reported makes it sound like we are making excuses for the loss. Wish Paul had not reported the story.

    'Sub-standard': All Blacks stayed in 'dog of a hotel' on eve of World Cup

    I disagree. Plenty of other teams esp Tier 1 teams, would’ve complained about this.

    My bad. Didn't read the article properly. I thought this was on the even of the final, and not the French game.

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    @akan004 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

    This is so embarrassing, the world will be laugh at us now. Booking a substandard hotel is bad enough

    We didn't book it. The Frogs did it for us.

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    @booboo said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

    @akan004 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

    This is so embarrassing, the world will be laugh at us now. Booking a substandard hotel is bad enough

    We didn't book it. The Frogs did it for us.

    Yeah, I didn't read the full article. Thought he was referring to the eve of the final and not the French game, and thought we had booked it. My mistake.

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    @akan004 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

    @booboo said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

    @akan004 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

    This is so embarrassing, the world will be laugh at us now. Booking a substandard hotel is bad enough

    We didn't book it. The Frogs did it for us.

    Yeah, I didn't read the full article. Thought he was referring to the eve of the final and not the French game, and thought we had booked it. My mistake.

    The hotels are all sorted by the host nation. But ABs should scout them out beforehand and make sure everything is up to scratch, but they obviously didn't do their due diligence in this case

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    @antipodean said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

    @Unite said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

    @canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

    @booboo said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

    I'm afraid I agree with @MiketheSnow.

    After my initial indignation I've taken it to mean he didn't see the replay and explained what he (thought he) saw.

    Not that he apologised because he got it wrong and had subsequently seen the error of his ways.

    i.e., "Sorry, didn't see the replay." Full stop.
    "I thought you stayed on him, I didn't see you come off enough"

    HOWEVER the decision was still wrong and I don't see why the TMO can't intervene on that scoring play but can (not that he could really) on a knock on.

    The TMO can't rule on more than 2 phases before a try is scored, but that didn't stop him. What a farce rugby is right now

    This was mentioned on the Aotearoa Rugby Pod that it is a guideline, not a rule, the 2 phase thing

    Based on what? It's clearly written in the protocol how many phases for general play and that no phase restriction exists for foul play. If it was to be a guideline, it would state such, or they'd use an adjective such as few.

    This is just what was mentioned on podcast. I’ve read the protocol now and maybe the first section titled ‘Guiding Principles’ is where this misunderstanding came from? But the 2 phase thing is clearly not a guideline as they mentioned.

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    @antipodean said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

    @Unite said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

    @canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

    @booboo said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

    I'm afraid I agree with @MiketheSnow.

    After my initial indignation I've taken it to mean he didn't see the replay and explained what he (thought he) saw.

    Not that he apologised because he got it wrong and had subsequently seen the error of his ways.

    i.e., "Sorry, didn't see the replay." Full stop.
    "I thought you stayed on him, I didn't see you come off enough"

    HOWEVER the decision was still wrong and I don't see why the TMO can't intervene on that scoring play but can (not that he could really) on a knock on.

    The TMO can't rule on more than 2 phases before a try is scored, but that didn't stop him. What a farce rugby is right now

    This was mentioned on the Aotearoa Rugby Pod that it is a guideline, not a rule, the 2 phase thing

    Based on what? It's clearly written in the protocol how many phases for general play and that no phase restriction exists for foul play. If it was to be a guideline, it would state such, or they'd use an adjective such as few.

    If you want to promote consistency of performance you institute protocols and hard rules. Not guidelines. Amateurish conduct by WR as usual

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    Rassie is back as Head coach of SA. Reminds me of this 😬

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    Squidgy has done a video on the final.

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