RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks
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Nigel Yalden’s podcast worth a taste on this game.
A Rugby World Cup Final Review aka I watched it again so you don't have to 😁
Podcast Episode · The Nigel Yalden Podcast · 06/11/2023 · 54m
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@Catogrande said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@kiwiinmelb said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
My view on the whole thing is a bit more simplistic,
I think the margins between the top 4 sides are tiny, you could replay the quarter final the next week and get a different result and replay the final and get a different result next time around .
But as always, winning papers over the cracks and losing over emphasis them.
Yes, but the bloody Saffers did it when it mattered. 3 times on the bounce. A tad fortunate maybe v France but they played poorly v England and v NZ in much of the second half and still got over the line.
There are no undeserving RWC winners.
Yeah I’m not suggesting they didn’t deserve to win , the results are there
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@booboo said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Has Sam Cane faced the judiciary yet?
Can't answer that, but surely the judiciary will support the red and give him the minimum punishment. Anything less will cause a kerfuffle world rugby can do without.
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@Crazy-Horse said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@booboo said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Has Sam Cane faced the judiciary yet?
Can't answer that, but surely the judiciary will support the red and give him the minimum punishment. Anything less will cause a kerfuffle world rugby can do without.
No, they are independent. So they make their own decision, see Farrell pre world cup
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@Catogrande said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@kiwiinmelb said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
My view on the whole thing is a bit more simplistic,
I think the margins between the top 4 sides are tiny, you could replay the quarter final the next week and get a different result and replay the final and get a different result next time around .
But as always, winning papers over the cracks and losing over emphasis them.
Yes, but the bloody Saffers did it when it mattered. 3 times on the bounce. A tad fortunate maybe v France but they played poorly v England and v NZ in much of the second half and still got over the line.
There are no undeserving RWC winners.
We tend to attach certain phrases to sporting contests in an emotive way to try and make sense of it all. But I’ve never really got the whole deserved or undeserved winners stuff. Your team either wins or doesn’t. It’s that clear cut. And that is why it’s so devastating when you think your team plays well and they don’t get the choccies.
A score line sometimes isn’t a true reflection of what happens on the field. But sometimes it very much is. The weekend in my opinion was clearly in the latter category. It was a genuinely close match.
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@ACT-Crusader said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Catogrande said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@kiwiinmelb said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
My view on the whole thing is a bit more simplistic,
I think the margins between the top 4 sides are tiny, you could replay the quarter final the next week and get a different result and replay the final and get a different result next time around .
But as always, winning papers over the cracks and losing over emphasis them.
Yes, but the bloody Saffers did it when it mattered. 3 times on the bounce. A tad fortunate maybe v France but they played poorly v England and v NZ in much of the second half and still got over the line.
There are no undeserving RWC winners.
We tend to attach certain phrases to sporting contests in an emotive way to try and make sense of it all. But I’ve never really got the whole deserved or undeserved winners stuff. Your team either wins or doesn’t. It’s that clear cut. And that is why it’s so devastating when you think your team plays well and they don’t get the choccies.
A score line sometimes isn’t a true reflection of what happens on the field. But sometimes it very much is. The weekend in my opinion was clearly in the latter category. It was a genuinely close match.
Reminded me of 2011, only this time we missed the potential go ahead kicks late in the game
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In a one off match I do feel that there can be an undeserving winner, not often, but it does happen. I don't feel it is the case with the final to be honest. However what I was trying to say was that taken as a whole and looking at what any team has done to win a World Cup, there are no undeserving winners. No-one gets to breeze through the whole way, having an easy draw all the way through, getting the rub of the green all the way through, including the final.
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@Catogrande said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
In a one off match I do feel that there can be an undeserving winner, not often, but it does happen. I don't feel it is the case with the final to be honest. However what I was trying to say was that taken as a whole and looking at what any team has done to win a World Cup, there are no undeserving winners. No-one gets to breeze through the whole way, having an easy draw all the way through, getting the rub of the green all the way through, including the final.
The problem is that the only team which didn't fairly lose was France. There's no denying that Boks won, but it's an aberration that they made the final. So not deserving.
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You're reaching a bit here mate. You can certainly say France were unlucky lose but equally you can say that if they can't deal with high kicks (not a surprise Saffer tactic) then well, were they really unlucky. Either way SA did enough to win that match. Four tries wasn't it?
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re ABs as stated above. Don't have to win every game but aim for consistency of performance and selection.
The players haven't been the major issue. The top echelons of NZ Rugby have been. Fan frustrations understandable. Poorly run business. Bit too much mateship it appears.
Having said that a fantastic World Cup in the majority. The quarter final weekend best ever. -
@Catogrande said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
You're reaching a bit here mate. You can certainly say France were unlucky lose but equally you can say that if they can't deal with high kicks (not a surprise Saffer tactic) then well, were they really unlucky. Either way SA did enough to win that match. Four tries wasn't it?
It's actually clear cut. The replays show that for winning penalty Kwagga put his right hand on ground for support before trying to effect the turnover. So France should have been kicking for poles instead of Boks. Boks 'won' by one point.
That's with ten to go, so pretty strong likelihood that French would have won by two or more.
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@pakman said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Catogrande said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
You're reaching a bit here mate. You can certainly say France were unlucky lose but equally you can say that if they can't deal with high kicks (not a surprise Saffer tactic) then well, were they really unlucky. Either way SA did enough to win that match. Four tries wasn't it?
It's actually clear cut. The replays show that for winning penalty Kwagga put his right hand on ground for support before trying to effect the turnover. So France should have been kicking for poles instead of Boks. Boks 'won' by one point.
That's with ten to go, so pretty strong likelihood that French would have won by two or more.
Tell that Pollard. And England!
