RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks
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@canefan would not be surprised if next year Christie isn’t even in the ABs. Goes from 2nd choice behind nug to 4th choice without Nug
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@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
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@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@raznomore said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@canefan yup we have the makings of a world beating team. We need some very aggressive hard hitting locks and 2 straight nutcases on the flanks with Savea.
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@Yeahtheboys said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@canefan would not be surprised if next year Christie isn’t even in the ABs. Goes from 2nd choice behind nug to 4th choice without Nug
Definitely don't see him in the top 2. Roigard and Fakatava will be there, not sure who else offhand.
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@sparky said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
TMO missed this.
That is why I have a problem with where rugby has gotten to.
Barnes didn’t see Cane red card, but TMO did. But if TMO didn’t call that but brought things back for Etzebeth red ABs win.
Reductio ad absurdem, why not dispense with the game and just have a coin toss?
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Foz called out the TMO in the aftermatch. Good for him. He's the same bloke that stitched up Gus Ta'avao in the 3rd Irish test. Basically a thinly veiled "TMO is a fluffybunny" comment.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@GibbonRib said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Commiserations Kiwis. That was a great final, and a great effort from your team. Very unlucky in the end.
r.e. the cards - my view (from watching in real time in a very busy pub, so I might change my mind when I've watched it back) is that they were all correct, except possibly Frizell's which seemed harsh, didn't seem to me that he did much wrong.
Cane's red and Kolisi's yellow - I reckon they were correct decisions, but it does suck.
Two things:
We're all sick of talking about it, but the inconsistency is killing us. When the TMO intervenes, which offences are which colour, etc. There's no excuse for it.
And while I think Cane's was a RC offence and Kolisi's was a YC due to mitigation, it really highlights that while difference between a red and yellow offence can be very marginal, the differnce between the punishments is massive - especially for an early red. I wasn't a fan of the 20 minute rule when it was first suggested, but I've come around to thinking it would help.
Mitigation on Kolisi? What bit is mitigation? The bit where AS is upright and SK clocks him on the nose?
Mitigation: Being a Hurricanes forward SK thought he was taller?
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@PN said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Get off it. The SC head tackle had no mitigation, where as Kolisi's was clearly a rugby collision. Initial impact went through SK's shoulders. This echo chamber needs some perspective.
Have another look at Kolisi - link below. Pay attention to Savea's head. He came charging in to a player dropping from a jump, and smokes him in the head.
There's as much mitigation as Cane in a dynamic tackle. For me, both yellow, or both red. Hell, week to week you'd like it reffed the same (I know, wishful thinking)
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@pakman said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@sparky said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
TMO missed this.
That is why I have a problem with where rugby has gotten to.
Barnes didn’t see Cane red card, but TMO did. But if TMO didn’t call that but brought things back for Etzebeth red ABs win.
Reductio ad absurdem, why not dispense with the game and just have a coin toss?
No wonder Barnes didn't see that-it was right in front of him.
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@PN said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Get off it. The SC head tackle had no mitigation, where as Kolisi's was clearly a rugby collision. Initial impact went through SK's shoulders. This echo chamber needs some perspective.
Don't embarass yourself anymore than you already have
It's grainy but regardless of where his arms and shoulders are, SK hits Ardie head to face. No intent, not foul play, but that's a RC to me because of that impact
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@nzzp said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@PN said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Get off it. The SC head tackle had no mitigation, where as Kolisi's was clearly a rugby collision. Initial impact went through SK's shoulders. This echo chamber needs some perspective.
Have another look at Kolisi - link below. Pay attention to Savea's head. He came charging in to a player dropping from a jump, and smokes him in the head.
There's as much mitigation as Cane in a dynamic tackle. For me, both yellow, or both red. Hell, week to week you'd like it reffed the same (I know, wishful thinking)
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Both are cards, no doubt, but I know which tackle I would rather have been on the receiving end of. That said, I am in favour of a 20 min red.
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@PN said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Both are cards, no doubt, but I know which tackle I would rather have been on the receiving end of.
If only officials listened to your criteria it would be so much simpler.
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@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@PN said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Get off it. The SC head tackle had no mitigation, where as Kolisi's was clearly a rugby collision. Initial impact went through SK's shoulders. This echo chamber needs some perspective.
Don't embarass yourself anymore than you already have
It's grainy but regardless of where his arms and shoulders are, SK hits Ardie head to face. No intent, not foul play, but that's a RC to me because of that impact
I'm not embarrassed at all. I would rather cop a tackle to the body with simultaneous head to head contact, rather than a flying shoulder to the face. This is why the one was yellow and the other was red. If you cannot see that, you are blinded by your bias.
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@PN so genuine question - what's the mitigation you see?
A bunch of people argued Kolisi was YC only, and plenty of mitigation. When I pulled that and saw it again, I really struggled to reach that conclusion. Looked red as shit to me, with no real mitigation
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@nzzp said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@PN so genuine question - what's the mitigation you see?
A bunch of people argued Kolisi was YC only, and plenty of mitigation. When I pulled that and saw it again, I really struggled to reach that conclusion. Looked red as shit to me, with no real mitigation
As above.
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It's been a grand 2023 international season, ABs exceeded my expectations in the end. Congratulations and thanks to those who have played their last game in black.
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Cane said he was surprised the Bok moved/swerved back into him. I'd agree but still a clumsy tackle.
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@PN said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nzzp said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@PN so genuine question - what's the mitigation you see?
A bunch of people argued Kolisi was YC only, and plenty of mitigation. When I pulled that and saw it again, I really struggled to reach that conclusion. Looked red as shit to me, with no real mitigation
As above.
so, the mitigation is your personal preference to be on the end of one over the other...? That's pretty comical pal.
They're both clear reds under the current laws. Kolisi comes flying into the line and recklessly makes significant head-on-head contact.
It's just a red mate, give it up.
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In week 1, England v Argentina, the same tackle as kolisi's was a red
Now, I didn't think that was a red, and I don't think this should have been either (nor canes)
But it's easy to see why kiwi fans might be just a little mystified
