RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks
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@sparky said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
TMO missed this.
At the time I was wondering if they'd have a look.
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@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Cards aside, I reckon we hit most of our KPIs today.
Defensive line out was fucking immense
I mean, not only was it immense because of the AB jumpers but ffs, you’ve got a blindside flanker throwing in and NZ barely kicked the ball out - muppets
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@Dodge think it was 6 mins to go, we try to fucking run it from our 22...wtaf
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@Dodge said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Cards aside, I reckon we hit most of our KPIs today.
Defensive line out was fucking immense
I mean, not only was it immense because of the AB jumpers but ffs, you’ve got a blindside flanker throwing in and NZ barely kicked the ball out - muppets
That, but the throwing was generally ok. It was the read of the line out that was impressive.
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@taniwharugby said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Dodge think it was 6 mins to go, we try to fucking run it from our 22...wtaf
And the Christie can't kick and gets charged
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@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Dodge said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Cards aside, I reckon we hit most of our KPIs today.
Defensive line out was fucking immense
I mean, not only was it immense because of the AB jumpers but ffs, you’ve got a blindside flanker throwing in and NZ barely kicked the ball out - muppets
That, but the throwing was generally ok. It was the read of the line out that was impressive.
It was ok in the second half when NZ didn’t compete (also baffling) but it was short nearly every time
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Congratulations Cane and Foster good show
SA were smarter this what irks me
Rugby is not the same game cf 3 years ago. It's not easy but both yellows were preventable -
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I have no problem with the outcome of either captain's card. Clear difference based on the framework and mitigation.
Can you elaborate further ? How was Canes harsher than Kolisis ? ( i missed part of the latters as I was getting my third helping of bacon and eggs )
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@mariner4life Lineout and Scrum were massive and we conceded way fewer penalties.
Awesome Bok defence, the cards, poor goalkicking and the backline being off killed us today.
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@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I have no problem with the outcome of either captain's card. Clear difference based on the framework and mitigation.
Can you elaborate further ? How was Canes harsher than Kolisis ? ( i missed part of the latters as I was getting my third helping of bacon and eggs )
Cane was upright, with reasonable force, direct contact. No mitigation.
Kolisi had contact through the body, lowered himself a little, and the head contact was almost incidental like a whiplash.
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Can’t get over the fact SA won this in spite of the genius coach, lineout nearly cost them because he didn’t pick a hooker, backline he got away with it because they didn’t play any rugby and NZ knocked on in wide channels too many times. Pollard did nothing and kicked badly in the second half because he was knackered. Bomb squad had no impact whatsoever. Jeez I hate Rassie
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@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I have no problem with the outcome of either captain's card. Clear difference based on the framework and mitigation.
Can you elaborate further ? How was Canes harsher than Kolisis ? ( i missed part of the latters as I was getting my third helping of bacon and eggs )
Cane was upright, with reasonable force, direct contact. No mitigation.
Kolisi had contact through the body, lowered himself a little, and the head contact was almost incidental like a whiplash.
Funny, because at the time it looked like head on head contact and worse than Cane's....
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@sparky said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@mariner4life Lineout and Scrum were massive and we conceded way fewer penalties.
Awesome Bok defence, the cards, poor goalkicking and the backline being off killed us today.
Abs 5 penalties, boks 10. Plus the 2 cards each, I guess they aren't counted on the penalties
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@mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Rugby is a funny game.
We won the set piece. Had more ball, more carries, they made like 2 and a half the tackles we did. Made linebreaks. And we just couldn't win.
So often when a game goes like today’s it’s the little things that matter the most and become big things! The goal kick misses even though 2 good penalties had been kicked. The knock on by ALB even though he had made a good catch and run down the right side not long before that.
Boks unlucky to score a try down the right side too if not for a foot in touch and knock on.
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Well done the Boks. Hugely physical team.
The head contact feels completely random. Kolisi YC, Cane Red, and the 'glancing contact' on EDG is nowt. Missed the Etsebeth elbow, so who knows.Despite the adversity, we created enough to win that game. Handling was poor, and even then missing kicks cost us.
Play of the game: Kolbe knocking the ball on. I reckon we score from there - and they weren't getting a try tonight; that would have been the game.
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@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I have no problem with the outcome of either captain's card. Clear difference based on the framework and mitigation.
Can you elaborate further ? How was Canes harsher than Kolisis ? ( i missed part of the latters as I was getting my third helping of bacon and eggs )
Cane was upright, with reasonable force, direct contact. No mitigation.
Kolisi had contact through the body, lowered himself a little, and the head contact was almost incidental like a whiplash.
I mean that’s how I read it too - all season both would have been red but something changed after a week or so of the tournament and Kolisi’s had more mitigation than Cane’s.
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@ACT-Crusader said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Boks unlucky to score a try down the right side too if not for a foot in touch and knock on.
Did you see Smith dragged into the scrum that started that movmeent? Would the TMO go back for that if they scored? Ah, the big questions in life
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@nzzp I definitely think we score there
In behind them and numbers in support
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@ACT-Crusader Kolisi blew a try too by going for it.
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@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I have no problem with the outcome of either captain's card. Clear difference based on the framework and mitigation.
Can you elaborate further ? How was Canes harsher than Kolisis ? ( i missed part of the latters as I was getting my third helping of bacon and eggs )
Cane was upright, with reasonable force, direct contact. No mitigation.
Kolisi had contact through the body, lowered himself a little, and the head contact was almost incidental like a whiplash.
Funny, because at the time it looked like head on head contact and worse than Cane's....
That's why the review process exists at this level. "At the time" can be a poor helper when it comes to these decisions.
The bunker looks at it, fuck, I wish I had one on the sideline reffing amateurs 😬
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@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Stargazer said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I fucking hope Foster and Ryan come out and throw sour grapes.
I seriously hope they won't.
I fucking hope they do. We've been coping shit from fluffybunnies like Ireland, moaning and whinging, but fuck it. They got some real shit calls. If that were SA losing, the stadium would have been burned to the ground but now.
Nah won't change the result. The time to whinge, in today's culture, is to whine before the game to effect the ref
I know it won't change the result. But why should they lie down and cop that shit?
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Stargazer said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I fucking hope Foster and Ryan come out and throw sour grapes.
I seriously hope they won't.
I fucking hope they do. We've been coping shit from fluffybunnies like Ireland, moaning and whinging, but fuck it. They got some real shit calls. If that were SA losing, the stadium would have been burned to the ground but now.
Nah won't change the result. The time to whinge, in today's culture, is to whine before the game to effect the ref
I know it won't change the result. But why should they lie down and cop that shit?
Because it's pissing in the wind. Pointless, shoulda been whinging before about their water boys and stuff
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Amazing how the Springboks did not score a single point after 34 minutes - against 14 men no less - and still won. Just pretty good defence (by both teams, apparently).
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@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I have no problem with the outcome of either captain's card. Clear difference based on the framework and mitigation.
Can you elaborate further ? How was Canes harsher than Kolisis ? ( i missed part of the latters as I was getting my third helping of bacon and eggs )
Cane was upright, with reasonable force, direct contact. No mitigation.
Kolisi had contact through the body, lowered himself a little, and the head contact was almost incidental like a whiplash.
Funny, because at the time it looked like head on head contact and worse than Cane's....
That's why the review process exists at this level. "At the time" can be a poor helper when it comes to these decisions.
The bunker looks at it, fuck, I wish I had one on the sideline reffing amateurs 😬
Ironically we didn't need an even number of players to win. We just needed to hold our passes and kick our kicks...
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The one thing that I don't think we should let the coaching team and players off with is our poor discipline. We all knew this was a problem and has been a big problem over the last few years, so why have they not fixed it? Two yellows against Ireland and the cards today in the two biggest games of the year is simply unforgivable.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Stargazer said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I fucking hope Foster and Ryan come out and throw sour grapes.
I seriously hope they won't.
I fucking hope they do. We've been coping shit from fluffybunnies like Ireland, moaning and whinging, but fuck it. They got some real shit calls. If that were SA losing, the stadium would have been burned to the ground but now.
Nah won't change the result. The time to whinge, in today's culture, is to whine before the game to effect the ref
I know it won't change the result. But why should they lie down and cop that shit?
What does it achieve other than making you look like sour grapes whingers
ABs did phenomenally well to create enough chances to win but couldn't take them.
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@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I have no problem with the outcome of either captain's card. Clear difference based on the framework and mitigation.
Can you elaborate further ? How was Canes harsher than Kolisis ? ( i missed part of the latters as I was getting my third helping of bacon and eggs )
Cane was upright, with reasonable force, direct contact. No mitigation.
Kolisi had contact through the body, lowered himself a little, and the head contact was almost incidental like a whiplash.
Fair enough. They looked about as harsh as eachothers to my ( untrained ) eye.
Nisbo thought so too.
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@akan004 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
The one thing that I don't think we should let the coaching team and players off with is our poor discipline. We all knew this was a problem and has been a big problem over the last few years, so why have they not fixed it? Two yellows against Ireland and the cards today in the two biggest games of the year is simply unforgivable.
Yeah, look at Ireland, fuck all cards. We average more then one a game. Even when winning against Argentina, or playing fucking Namibia
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@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I have no problem with the outcome of either captain's card. Clear difference based on the framework and mitigation.
Can you elaborate further ? How was Canes harsher than Kolisis ? ( i missed part of the latters as I was getting my third helping of bacon and eggs )
Cane was upright, with reasonable force, direct contact. No mitigation.
Kolisi had contact through the body, lowered himself a little, and the head contact was almost incidental like a whiplash.
Fair enough. They looked about as harsh as eachothers to my ( untrained ) eye.
Nisbo thought so too.
That's proves you're wrong lol
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@nzzp yeah as I said above, I find this aspect most frustrating, In general play the TMO Will ignore knock ons (Faf did one that Barnes saw and called ok) forward passes etc...but if a try is scored he scours the game to find one to scrub it out.
Either call all or none, cant pick and choose which to ignore, why is one infringements more worthy of calling than another?
I mean Barnes saw that knock by Ardie, said it went back, let it go, so TMO has over ruled the ref (yes with the correct call) maybe justbhave spider cam and 3 refs sit in a room full of cameras and the whistle over over the loudspeaker...
I realise the game.would be even more stop start, but maybe need to go back to the days of the.ref asking for the input and they can only intervene on foul play.
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I’m numb like most but I do find solace in coming here and reading this stuff. Long live The Fern.
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@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I have no problem with the outcome of either captain's card. Clear difference based on the framework and mitigation.
Can you elaborate further ? How was Canes harsher than Kolisis ? ( i missed part of the latters as I was getting my third helping of bacon and eggs )
Cane was upright, with reasonable force, direct contact. No mitigation.
Kolisi had contact through the body, lowered himself a little, and the head contact was almost incidental like a whiplash.
Fair enough. They looked about as harsh as eachothers to my ( untrained ) eye.
Nisbo thought so too.
That's proves you're wrong lol
Possibly not my best example……
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@taniwharugby said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nzzp yeah as I said above, I find this aspect most frustrating, I general play the TMO Will ignore knock ons, forward passes etc...but if a try is scored.he scours the game to find one to scrub it out.
I mean Barnes.saw that knock by Ardie, said it went back, let it go, so TMO has over ruled the ref (yes with the correct call) maybe justbhave spider cam and 3 refs sit in a room full of cameras and the whistle over over the loudspeaker...
I realise the game.would be even more stop start, but maybe need to go back to the days of the.ref asking for the input and they can only intervene on foul play.
Reminds me of that game when in SA when the TMO made a correct design but disregarded protocol. Now the balance has really tipped too far
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@taniwharugby said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nzzp yeah as I said above, I find this aspect most frustrating, I general play the TMO Will ignore knock ons, forward passes etc...but if a try is scored.he scours the game to find one to scrub it out.
I mean Barnes.saw that knock by Ardie, said it went back, let it go, so TMO has over ruled the ref (yes with the correct call) maybe justbhave spider cam and 3 refs sit in a room full of cameras and the whistle over over the loudspeaker...
I realise the game.would be even more stop start, but maybe need to go back to the days of the.ref asking for the input and they can only intervene on foul play.
Well in Ardie's case it tipped slightly off his hand, Barnes missed, then went forward off his knee afterwards - that's what Barnes called not forward
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Honestly much rather be hammered by 20 points than to lose like this.
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@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Stargazer said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I fucking hope Foster and Ryan come out and throw sour grapes.
I seriously hope they won't.
I fucking hope they do. We've been coping shit from fluffybunnies like Ireland, moaning and whinging, but fuck it. They got some real shit calls. If that were SA losing, the stadium would have been burned to the ground but now.
Nah won't change the result. The time to whinge, in today's culture, is to whine before the game to effect the ref
I know it won't change the result. But why should they lie down and cop that shit?
Because it's pissing in the wind. Pointless, shoulda been whinging before about their water boys and stuff
Or it could change the way the TMO is involved.
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It reminds me netball back in the day. Play getting called way back because of some infraction that didn't hugely impact the game at the time
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I’m blaming Deans.
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@mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Smuts said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@W32 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Commiserations guys. The ABs showed what class they are.
Congratulations enjoy your day
You should all be proud of your boys. Pushed us all the way despite never getting the rub of the green.
I'm hugely proud. The forwards in particular were immense. Considering the start, the cards, the conditions, to fight back and finish like that was an incredible performance
So close!
We made you work for it!
Fuck work for it. That game was in the balance until Barnes put us all out of our collective misery.
That’s why we respect you, and, I hope, why it’s returned.
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