RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland
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@nzzp said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@nostrildamus said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@nzzp said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
edit: and the Irish bookies had them as 4/6 favourites. I think every bookie had Ireland favourites.
Smell the impartiality!
our bookies had ireland as favourites too - but not by as much.
yes but I suspect posters here were saying the Irish were going to choke..
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@darylmitchell it's OK to acknowledge that other sides have great players, and sometimes (God forbid) they have even better players than the ABs. As you say that Irish side had insane cohesion which counts for a lot at test level, as well as class players across the board, stacks of experience, and in great form with confidence high going into that RWC. They were deserved no. 1 and favourites for the cup. On the flip side the ABs had been inconsistent (being kind) leading into the cup, we had no right to knock them out of the quarter, that was their year. One of the sweetest AB victories I can remember.
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@nzzp said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@darylmitchell said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
to say Ireland should have won RWC with the team they had is ludicrous
and yet, they were world no 1. Ludicrous to suggest that the world No 1, who were beating everyone consistently were favourites?
edit: and the Irish bookies had them as 4/6 favourites. I think every bookie had Ireland favourites.
The team they have isn't hugely talented, and it never was, it's extremely cohesive and well coached, but there's only a couple of truly 'world-class' players across the squad. look at their streamlined system that's worked to help the national team succeed at all cost, their centralization and high-performance structures and player pathways - they became the most efficiently run union in the world under Nucifora.
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@No-Quarter said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@darylmitchell it's OK to acknowledge that other sides have great players, and sometimes (God forbid) they have even better players than the ABs. As you say that Irish side had insane cohesion which counts for a lot at test level, as well as class players across the board, stacks of experience, and in great form with confidence high going into that RWC. They were deserved no. 1 and favourites for the cup. On the flip side the ABs had been inconsistent (being kind) leading into the cup, we had no right to knock them out of the quarter, that was their year. One of the sweetest AB victories I can remember.
Their tears were delicious
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@No-Quarter said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
On the flip side the ABs had been inconsistent (being kind) leading into the cup, we had no right to knock them out of the quarter, that was their year.
Right so because we were inconsistent under Foster and lost the 3 test series to Ireland at home we had no right to expect the All Blacks to perform to their potential?
It sounds awfully similar to the sentiment under Foster which Sam Whitelock shared in his book regarding the France test in 2021: "We were coming up with excuses for a loss before we'd even played the game.".
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@No-Quarter said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
we had no right to knock them out of the quarter, that was their year. One of the sweetest AB victories I can remember.
No right? you do remember us beating the Irish in the 1st test 43-17 when Schmidt was interim head coach because Foster was away for the entire week with Covid?
Why are your expectations such you don't expect ABs to make it past a WC quarter final?
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@nostrildamus said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@nzzp said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@nostrildamus said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@nzzp said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
edit: and the Irish bookies had them as 4/6 favourites. I think every bookie had Ireland favourites.
Smell the impartiality!
our bookies had ireland as favourites too - but not by as much.
yes but I suspect posters here were saying the Irish were going to choke..
You have to be favourite to actually choke, and that's what Ireland did. World number 1, longest win streak, choke in the quarters
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Any excuse to watch the closing minutes of that match again, is a good excuse.
Ireland were a great team and still are. Fully worthy of their current place near the pointy end. We were the same in 2007. You don't always get what you think you deserve. You get what you do deserve.
Thats paraphrasing two Irish legends there btw. Sexton & Conor McGregor
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@darylmitchell said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
, of any nation at 23 WC they were a 'system' team and benefited from their insane cohesion levels and existing combinations from Leinster.
Agreed. The benefits of having such a squad play together as much as they do can't be overlooked.
They're clearly well coached and have confidence in their knowledge of their systems and each other.
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@darylmitchell said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
guys who were not even starting for their SR sides
Why do you insist on over egging the pudding? Lowe especially and Aki were regular starters for the Chiefs.
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@nzzp said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@ACT-Crusader the communication, confidence, trust and tenacity shown there has become very rare in the past 6 years. Amazing to watch that and see them just all lined up every time, getting off the ground and not panicking.
I might be getting sentimental in my old age, but that whole sequence made me feel pretty proud as an AB fan.
I didn't believe the ABs had it in them to play that well for that long. At the end of the game I literally laughed out loud - it was a ridiculous win
I gave a huge mouthfull. For the last 7 years, since Chicago the Irish have been blowing their horn, labelling everyone as cheats, acting like pork chops on the field, trashed talked, called for YC before teams were already on the field, lost any and all sense of balance in analysis claiming the right to win and then that happened and what was even sweeter was seeing little Jonny lose his shit at Rieko.
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@Machpants said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@nostrildamus said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@nzzp said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@nostrildamus said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@nzzp said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
edit: and the Irish bookies had them as 4/6 favourites. I think every bookie had Ireland favourites.
Smell the impartiality!
our bookies had ireland as favourites too - but not by as much.
yes but I suspect posters here were saying the Irish were going to choke..
You have to be favourite to actually choke, and that's what Ireland did. World number 1, longest win streak, choke in the quarters
I agree to disagree. In other sports a lower ranked player can be leading then choke. As I don't pay that much attention to rugby rankings, especially in a RWC, I don't put much stock in them, especially against the top teams.
Secondly, my comment was closer to an observation than a judgement, I do believe posters here referred to the Irish QF curse. But when I saw the game, I'm not sure where the Irish choked. That Alamo defending stretch of the All Blacks was simply brilliant, the Irish tried their best there. And across the game I didn't sense the Irish choked, I felt they thought we were going to. -
Not sure you could say the Irish team choked. But it’s fair to say Sexton did. They were playing right towards where we were sitting and I counted three clear cut chances for him to throw a wider pass to put a runner into the gap and he just couldn’t do it. Looked like the moment was too big for him.
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@nostrildamus said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Machpants said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@nostrildamus said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@nzzp said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@nostrildamus said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@nzzp said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
edit: and the Irish bookies had them as 4/6 favourites. I think every bookie had Ireland favourites.
Smell the impartiality!
our bookies had ireland as favourites too - but not by as much.
yes but I suspect posters here were saying the Irish were going to choke..
You have to be favourite to actually choke, and that's what Ireland did. World number 1, longest win streak, choke in the quarters
I agree to disagree. In other sports a lower ranked player can be leading then choke. As I don't pay that much attention to rugby rankings, especially in a RWC, I don't put much stock in them, especially against the top teams.
Secondly, my comment was closer to an observation than a judgement, I do believe posters here referred to the Irish QF curse. But when I saw the game, I'm not sure where the Irish choked. That Alamo defending stretch of the All Blacks was simply brilliant, the Irish tried their best there. And across the game I didn't sense the Irish choked, I felt they thought we were going to.I think Ireland had enjoyed so much success believing in and executing the process they felt it was just a matter of time before NZ made a mistake and they would be the beneficiaries
Unfortunately for Ireland, whilst the process looked good it wasn’t at the intensity which creates space and mismatches and allowed NZ to regroup and regroup and…you get the picture
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I actually felt sorry for the Irish. I spoke to several before the game and they were just like us before those crucial games in 2003, 2007 and 2011, i.e. nervous as hell and scared shitless of the prospect of losing. After that opening loss to France they also had every reason to be the clear favourites. Tbf I don't think this Irish team would have folded like we did in 98 and 2003 (I don't count 2007 because that was fucking Barnes) but what they actually encountered was a very talented team that was for once playing with structure and to their potential. They didn't choke, they were beaten by a better team.
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I just think the difference between the boks , nz , Ireland and France was so close, and you could play the same games over and over and get different results each time ,
best team on the day and all that
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@Smuts said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Not sure you could say the Irish team choked. But it’s fair to say Sexton did. They were playing right towards where we were sitting and I counted three clear cut chances for him to throw a wider pass to put a runner into the gap and he just couldn’t do it. Looked like the moment was too big for him.
thanks for that. I'll keep an eye out if I get to rewatch the game.
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@No-Quarter said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
I think this win has to go down as one of the best in AB history, certainly modern history anyway. Ireland should have won that RWC with the team they had and the form they were win, this loss will haunt their players for years to come.
Should? There is no "should".
24 years taught us that.
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@Smuts said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Not sure you could say the Irish team choked. But it’s fair to say Sexton did. They were playing right towards where we were sitting and I counted three clear cut chances for him to throw a wider pass to put a runner into the gap and he just couldn’t do it. Looked like the moment was too big for him.
Ireland were out on their feet. They had nothing left at the 75-80th minutes. The only thing that was keeping them in it at that point were the refs who didn't want to make a call. Ironically, the refs during the final wanted nothing but to make their presence known.
