RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland
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@NTA said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@NTA said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
I thought Barnes got the first scrum wrong tho - ABs THP folded in for me
Alex Corbisiero has a look at the scrums.
im sorry...thats a really shit take....he acknowledges Porter has an elbow down, which is like rule one fore a square set...but its ok because it just "looks bad"...no...its bad....and then because his bind is bad and pulling down...he slips his bind and folds in
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Porter was angling in so much that he could have been pushing for both sides!
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went a looked through the tweet comments...and everything kind of starts "if we ignore this claringly poor for form porter on the bind....the AB's are evil"
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@Kiwiwomble said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@NTA said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@NTA said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
I thought Barnes got the first scrum wrong tho - ABs THP folded in for me
Alex Corbisiero has a look at the scrums.
im sorry...thats a really shit take....he acknowledges Porter has an elbow down, which is like rule one fore a square set...but its ok because it just "looks bad"...no...its bad....and then because his bind is bad and pulling down...he slips his bind and folds in
Elbow down is only a problem if it collapses or the loosehead hinges. If it stays up, and he's bound on the back or side, it isn't illegal in any way.
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@Kiwiwomble said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
went a looked through the tweet comments...and everything kind of starts "if we ignore this claringly poor for form porter on the bind....the AB's are evil"
Random twitter comments are the best source of truth
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@NTA said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Kiwiwomble said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@NTA said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@NTA said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
I thought Barnes got the first scrum wrong tho - ABs THP folded in for me
Alex Corbisiero has a look at the scrums.
im sorry...thats a really shit take....he acknowledges Porter has an elbow down, which is like rule one fore a square set...but its ok because it just "looks bad"...no...its bad....and then because his bind is bad and pulling down...he slips his bind and folds in
Elbow down is only a problem if it collapses or the loosehead hinges. If it stays up, and he's bound on the back or side, it isn't illegaly in any way.
it might not be illegal in its own right but neither is running around with you arm out...when you take someones head off...or in this slip your bind and drive in...then its illegal
its scumming 101 to keep your elbow up to keep your shoulders square....elbow down = shoulder down = collapse
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@Windows97 said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Were you hiding under the couch for the last 7 minutes and 312 phases???
Edit -just read your final line - but how do you reconcile those 2 statements??
2 yellow cards both in the red zone - it needs to be 0. Were one of the most carded sides in world rugby these days and that's a discipline issue.
But tremendous D at the end of the game, superb.
I hear you, I'm sick of us getting carded too. Both correct calls though.
Taylor in particular looked like he just slipped to me. Smith was trying to block that passing lane I reckon, so wasn't just unlucky, it was playing with fire a bit.
But that last passage was just insane. The discipline and structure, both only possible with a certain level of fitness, determination and leadership, was really heartening,
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@Windows97 said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@frugby Yeah I had some sympathy for Smith as it "seemed" like a reflex reaction (though we will never know unless your A Smith yourself).
However those are the rules of the game and they were applied accordingly.
Our players know these rules and need to - dare I say it - discipline themselves to think instead of just reacting.
And it's not so much just that one example but a continuing trend of us giving away cards - that's my concern.
Was very pleased that Smith put it behind him and backed himself to get the intercept, shows great mental strength.
I've no problem with the penalty, but to have that upgraded to YC was ludicrous.
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@Kiwiwomble said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
went a looked through the tweet comments...and everything kind of starts "if we ignore this claringly poor for form porter on the bind....the AB's are evil"
Enjoy those salty tears
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@antipodean said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
I've no problem with the penalty, but to have that upgraded to YC was ludicrous.
As you'd know tho, the guide wants to look at linebreak opportunity and then penalty try if there is no cover defence.
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@Kiwiwomble said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
it might not be illegal in its own right but neither is running around with you arm out...when you take someones head off...or in this slip your bind and drive in...then its illegal
Exactly my point: nothing is against the Law until it is. Don't get caught
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@NTA said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@antipodean said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
I've no problem with the penalty, but to have that upgraded to YC was ludicrous.
As you'd know tho, the guide wants to look at linebreak opportunity and then penalty try if there is no cover defence.
That's what concerns me. They acknowledged there was the fullback and JGP had two ABs within 5m while he was near flat footed. All this about 30m out from the line.
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@His-Bobness Nice write up, but I've hated the Irish (in a rugby sense) since coulda-doid and their fanbase started turning nasty (I also remember them supporting the Aussies over us in 91 even though the Aussies knocked them out) - add to that their players in front of the ball I highlighted earlier in the thread and of the top 4 teams they are the team I least wanted to win the RWC.
Plus, I had a run in with that prick Irish journo Gallagher on twitter who was being a twat over NZ PIs on twitter.
Plus plus, my Irish ancestry is of the Jewish persuasion, and although they took my Eastern European ancestor in after the odd pogrom or two in the east they still didn't make it a welcoming place for even my Ireland born Jewish ancestor. Which I guess had the benefit of getting to NZ eventually to help colonise my other ancestors.
In saying all that I'll still support them over England.
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@antipodean said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Windows97 said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@frugby Yeah I had some sympathy for Smith as it "seemed" like a reflex reaction (though we will never know unless your A Smith yourself).
However those are the rules of the game and they were applied accordingly.
Our players know these rules and need to - dare I say it - discipline themselves to think instead of just reacting.
And it's not so much just that one example but a continuing trend of us giving away cards - that's my concern.
Was very pleased that Smith put it behind him and backed himself to get the intercept, shows great mental strength.
I've no problem with the penalty, but to have that upgraded to YC was ludicrous.
Yeah, penalty seemed fine but a card for that seems bloody stupid. FFS rugby we don't have to card everything.
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@antipodean said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@NTA said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@antipodean said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
I've no problem with the penalty, but to have that upgraded to YC was ludicrous.
As you'd know tho, the guide wants to look at linebreak opportunity and then penalty try if there is no cover defence.
That's what concerns me. They acknowledged there was the fullback and JGP had two ABs within 5m while he was near flat footed. All this about 30m out from the line.
Laws: interpret them as you will. Even if the linebreak is inside your in-goal.
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@His-Bobness Great stuff as usual, Bob.
And, to quote - possibly Vince Lombardi - more succinctly:
"When you get in the end-zone - act like you've been there before".
A week of being gracious winners wouldn't have hurt us!
