RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland
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@canefan said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@MajorRage said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@Billy-Tell said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
No country has done professionalism better than Ireland. They’ve gone from a joke of a team in the 1990s to seriously good. Don’t think it’s a flash in the pan either they have well structured development pathways.
Totally agree. At one point, the interplay between Aki, Gibson Park, Lowe snd Hansen had this development on show perfectly.
Basically taken a bunch of players who couldn't get a look in playing in NZ, and built them into a system which allows them to shine. Exactly how it should be
If that’s the case then we need to stop
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@MajorRage said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@canefan said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@MajorRage said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@Billy-Tell said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
No country has done professionalism better than Ireland. They’ve gone from a joke of a team in the 1990s to seriously good. Don’t think it’s a flash in the pan either they have well structured development pathways.
Totally agree. At one point, the interplay between Aki, Gibson Park, Lowe snd Hansen had this development on show perfectly.
Basically taken a bunch of players who couldn't get a look in playing in NZ, and built them into a system which allows them to shine. Exactly how it should be
If that’s the case then we need to stop
Pretending these are teams of a country.I think you misunderstand. I was just talking about the fact that they have created a system that allows their players to shine. I don't believe ours is doing that right now. The poaching of international players is another issue entirely
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@canefan said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
Razor is literally going to have to lead a revolution to get us back to the top
Just need to find a lock, openside, blindside, 8 and fly half.
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@canefan said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@reprobate said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
Not having a kicker, then opting to take long shots at goal instead of touch is an, interesting, option.
Keeping their biltong dry?
I think SA will win in a canter
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@BerniesCorner said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@canefan said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
Razor is literally going to have to lead a revolution to get us back to the top
Just need to find a lock, openside, blindside, 8 and fly half.
We don't need to invent tactics either, they are there. We just don't play them enough
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@MajorRage said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@Billy-Tell said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
No country has done professionalism better than Ireland. They’ve gone from a joke of a team in the 1990s to seriously good. Don’t think it’s a flash in the pan either they have well structured development pathways.
Totally agree. At one point, the interplay between Aki, Gibson Park, Lowe snd Hansen had this development on show perfectly.
Whatever you say. Yes they targeted foreigners but they’ve turned them into way better players. Aki would stroll into an ABs squad.
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@Billy-Tell said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@MajorRage said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@Billy-Tell said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
No country has done professionalism better than Ireland. They’ve gone from a joke of a team in the 1990s to seriously good. Don’t think it’s a flash in the pan either they have well structured development pathways.
Totally agree. At one point, the interplay between Aki, Gibson Park, Lowe snd Hansen had this development on show perfectly.
Whatever you say. Yes they targeted foreigners but they’ve turned them into way better players. Aki would stroll into an ABs squad.
France and England are doing it too, with their academy systems. I'm sure there are others
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@Billy-Tell said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@MajorRage said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@Billy-Tell said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
No country has done professionalism better than Ireland. They’ve gone from a joke of a team in the 1990s to seriously good. Don’t think it’s a flash in the pan either they have well structured development pathways.
Totally agree. At one point, the interplay between Aki, Gibson Park, Lowe snd Hansen had this development on show perfectly.
Whatever you say. Yes they targeted foreigners but they’ve turned them into way better players. Aki would stroll into an ABs squad.
Not sure I follow how your point is any different to mine.
We just clearly have different views on targeting of foreigners.
What does Ireland rugby team even mean any more. It certainly isn’t just for Irish.
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@MajorRage said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@Billy-Tell said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@MajorRage said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@Billy-Tell said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
No country has done professionalism better than Ireland. They’ve gone from a joke of a team in the 1990s to seriously good. Don’t think it’s a flash in the pan either they have well structured development pathways.
Totally agree. At one point, the interplay between Aki, Gibson Park, Lowe snd Hansen had this development on show perfectly.
Whatever you say. Yes they targeted foreigners but they’ve turned them into way better players. Aki would stroll into an ABs squad.
Not sure I follow how your point is any different to mine.
We just clearly have different views on targeting of foreigners.
What does Ireland rugby team even mean any more. It certainly isn’t just for Irish.
TBH my post wasn’t about foreign players it was about their systems which work really well. For some reason you decided to turn into a poaching discussion.
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From fitness to technique and strategy I think global rugby is stronger than ever.
We have been treading water for about 5 years.
With SA probably heading north it's going to be a mountain to climb. -
@Billy-Tell said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@MajorRage said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@Billy-Tell said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@MajorRage said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@Billy-Tell said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
No country has done professionalism better than Ireland. They’ve gone from a joke of a team in the 1990s to seriously good. Don’t think it’s a flash in the pan either they have well structured development pathways.
Totally agree. At one point, the interplay between Aki, Gibson Park, Lowe snd Hansen had this development on show perfectly.
Whatever you say. Yes they targeted foreigners but they’ve turned them into way better players. Aki would stroll into an ABs squad.
Not sure I follow how your point is any different to mine.
We just clearly have different views on targeting of foreigners.
What does Ireland rugby team even mean any more. It certainly isn’t just for Irish.
TBH my post wasn’t about foreign players it was about their systems which work really well. For some reason you decided to turn into a poaching discussion.
Your point isn't something I disagree with. In fact, I agree with it wholeheartedly, nobody has done it better than Ireland (although France may disagree) and they are reaping the rewards in the rugby team which currently represents Ireland.
Having said that, I think foreign recruitment has been a huge part of the strategy. It's worked wonders for them & their team is now extraordinarily well balanced and drilled. Thus, I think when mentioning their systems and what they've done, the foreign players they've bought goes hand in hand.
It's also not lost on me that when the poaching discussion was a big thing, it was generally the Irish who were the absolute worst at it. Subsequently, when the IRFU are doing something which in my view is considerably more cynical, I am in no mood to give them some rope on it.
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Tiresome.
There are three Irish squad players qualified on residency. Prior to qualifying on residency, but playing in Ireland, there was nothing to stop their home unions picking them. There have been plenty of players with Irish provinces picked to play for their home unions and capped for the first time after signing in Ireland. If NZ wanted Aki, JGP or Lowe to play for them, all they needed to do was call them up. To the best of my knowledge that never happened because of your own internal rules about playing players outside of New Zealand. South Africa in contrast had two second rows in the second half playing for Munster.
In the New Zealand squad, two players fall into the same category.
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@Billy-Tell said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
No country has done professionalism better than Ireland. They’ve gone from a joke of a team in the 1990s to seriously good. Don’t think it’s a flash in the pan either they have well structured development pathways.
I recall reading way back in the 90s that Irish schools rugby was bloody strong (prof training, even mention of being supplied with creatine) but once school finished most stopped giving a fůck and hit the Guinness. They've clearly sorted that out and we're seeing the results now.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@Billy-Tell said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
No country has done professionalism better than Ireland. They’ve gone from a joke of a team in the 1990s to seriously good. Don’t think it’s a flash in the pan either they have well structured development pathways.
I recall reading way back in the 90s that Irish schools rugby was bloody strong (prof training, even mention of being supplied with creatine) but once school finished most stopped giving a fůck and hit the Guinness. They've clearly sorted that out and we're seeing the results now.
In Ireland the GAA is massive. The rugby stronghold in Ireland is traditionally limerick. Dublin is also strong but it’s played by rich schools on the south side. There’s also soccer too but Ireland are woeful and I’d even rate the all whites a chance there. But there is no international fixtures for GAA apart from that hybrid Aussie rules thing both countries sometimes play. With all this success, rugby is slowly but surely becoming more democratised in Ireland.
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@reprobate said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
Not having a kicker, then opting to take long shots at goal instead of touch is an, interesting, option.
Understand your point.
But their replacement hooker is a part timer. Lineouts optional.
A 50/50 shot at goal by Faf from 50m+ is not the worst option. Those go over they're a bonus.
The missed shots by Libbok cost them.
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@chimoaus said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
It is very odd choice not to have a kicker behind a forward orientated game plan. It’s obvious to all these right games are won with the boot.
Which makes it a relatively easy fix - I would be feeling very motivated right now if I was in the Boks squad.
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@Mattasaurus said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
Foster must be watching this and wondering why these two teams kick so much ball away from their own 22s.... just amazing innnovation
Watching this? Do they even show these games on InsideFostersRectumTV?
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@junior said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@chimoaus said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
It is very odd choice not to have a kicker behind a forward orientated game plan. It’s obvious to all these right games are won with the boot.
Which makes it a relatively easy fix - I would be feeling very motivated right now if I was in the Boks squad.
Really?
You squeeze the Irish lineout to the point of malfunction, you get plenty of territory, you avoid any back injuries so your 7-1 split works, you get your bomb squad on, and you slow down Irish ball massively.
You still lose.
And in doing so, butcher the confidence of your chosen out half.
South Africa are coached like a kids team, they have a coach who doesn't even trust them to choose whether to kick for the corner or posts and is Eddie Jones like in his need for attention with 'innovations'. The lack of a kicking option and the lack of a back up hooker was a choice not something imposed randomly or the result of injury.
They might turn it after this or they might implode. Sometimes when your too smart, you don't know where to put your feet.
