RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy
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we let former Crusader Leon MacDonald lose us two World Cups, it seems tradition to let current Crusader Richie Mo'unga lose us two as well. I like patterns
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@Duluth said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Former Canterbury player Jon Preston had excellent analysis of Mo'unga shitness at halftime in that match
Do you have a link for that? Tbh I have suppressed memories from that game. I could see we were fŭcked from the get go. Everything that multiple posters here had warned about could happen, was happening in front of our eyes. The disheartening thing was that we, i.e. the half-arse keyboard warriors, could see this coming a mile away, yet the brains trust in the ABs were like a man being mugged in a meadow.
The crazy thing is that if that penalty hadn't been reversed for the SW brain fart we were still in with a shot. Would have been completely undeserved because we had the shit beaten out of us all game.
Actually one thing I recall reading here was how Iteoje was apparently this overhyped myth. Well fark me if that overhyped myth didn't eat our lunch that day.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Do you have a link for that? Tbh I have suppressed memories from that game. I could see we were fŭcked from the get go.
No. It was the spark coverage. He pointed out that Mo'unga was targeted effectively by Eddie and that he was already going into his shell
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Yep We don't want to see the brainless weak dinky kicks from Barrett at the back pinning us inside our 22.
If teams had a game plan to kick to Barrett we will never get out side our half.
Long clearances and a direct approach is what I want to see. -
The thing that makes Ireland so good at the moment is they are so comfortable doing not much for long stretches of the game. Maybe some phases if we are in the right part of the field, but they wait for their chance and they are happy to stay in teh grind
I watched that SA v Ireland game and kept thinking "Barrett or Mo'unga would have got bored by now and tried something risky to break the game open"
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@mariner4life said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
I watched that SA v Ireland game and kept thinking "Barrett or Mo'unga would have got bored by now and tried something risky to break the game open"
problem is you can throw D Mac in to that category as well.
We don't have that Sexton,Ford type player ,boring but effective at that sort of game. -
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@Chris said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@mariner4life said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
I watched that SA v Ireland game and kept thinking "Barrett or Mo'unga would have got bored by now and tried something risky to break the game open"
problem is you can throw D Mac in to that category as well.
We don't have that Sexton,Ford type player ,boring but effective at that sort of game.yup, absolutely no debate here. The only slight counter i would give is i watched the Chiefs play the Crusaders the first time in SUper Rugby this year, and i watched a team containing DMac and Stephenson just repeatedly kick the ball long to Mo'unga and Havili until one of them cracked, at which point the Chiefs pounced. It was some of the smartest rugby i have ever seen the Chiefs play.
But if DMac was starting 10 right now in this team i would have the same fear
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@Machpants said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Carter would be same but would've achieved what he tried to do haha
yes, well, it's Dan. Dan can do what ever the fuck he wants. And frankly, unlike every single player currently in Black, i would say that Dan decided to do was the right option at the time.
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With teams kicking long in this WC, It would be great to have a Stevenson/Sullivan type FB with a big boot to counter it.
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@Chris said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Stevenson
haven't you heard? Unlike all the players currently in the squad, he makes errors.
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@Chris said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
We don't have that Sexton,Ford type player ,boring but effective at that sort of game
Havili is probably closest...maybe move him to 10
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@taniwharugby said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Chris said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
We don't have that Sexton,Ford type player ,boring but effective at that sort of game
Havili is probably closest...maybe move him to 10
Don't need to mate, when he plays with RMo, he is in at 1st receiver more than RMo usually.
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@taniwharugby said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Chris said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
We don't have that Sexton,Ford type player ,boring but effective at that sort of game
Havili is
probably closest...maybe move him to 10ineffectiveFixed
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He should fit in well then.
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@mariner4life said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Chris said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@mariner4life said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
I watched that SA v Ireland game and kept thinking "Barrett or Mo'unga would have got bored by now and tried something risky to break the game open"
problem is you can throw D Mac in to that category as well.
We don't have that Sexton,Ford type player ,boring but effective at that sort of game.yup, absolutely no debate here. The only slight counter i would give is i watched the Chiefs play the Crusaders the first time in SUper Rugby this year, and i watched a team containing DMac and Stephenson just repeatedly kick the ball long to Mo'unga and Havili until one of them cracked, at which point the Chiefs pounced. It was some of the smartest rugby i have ever seen the Chiefs play.
But if DMac was starting 10 right now in this team i would have the same fear
There's a mythology that the Crusaders play a different style but in reality all the NZ sides play remarkably similar. The Chiefs were the exception this year with their kicking game. There were huge differences in their stats compared tot he other NZ sides
As for McKenzie if he was starting right now. He would be asked to play the same style as Foster/Roberston/MacDonald/etc want so there would be a lot of contestables
He would however not hide away if things aren't going well. He's perfectly happy to get smashed and call for the ball again and again. It's a good sort of arrogance. He doesn't sit waiting for highlight reel mismatches. In Test rugby those moments don't come often
He should've been given a decent run after SR but it's too late now (barring injury)
It's amazing how far AB standards have slipped. Mo'unga has been in the side for 7 seasons (he's about to turn the corner!) and he's had the same problems throughout his career. Yet we have pearl clutching because he's getting his share of criticism for the shitness with him as a backline general. Even genuine great of the game like Carter was getting criticised in early 2015 and there was a less pathetic reaction from maternalistic fans.
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Right, this is silly, you’re a good side and I watched a brilliant video of Fitzy talking about the power of the shirt today, talking about how the 30 living captains get together every year to talk about what it means to be an all black and how they can maintain that sense of what went before. It was enough for me, I just put money on you lot to win the whole thing. You’re a couple of big performances (not tomorrow, you could turn up half cut and beat Italy) from winning the whole thing. The fact you’re not convinced and neither are the chattering classes means the odds are worth it.
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@Dodge said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Right, this is silly, you’re a good side and I watched a brilliant video of Fitzy talking about the power of the shirt today, talking about how the 30 living captains get together every year to talk about what it means to be an all black and how they can maintain that sense of what went before. It was enough for me, I just put money on you lot to win the whole thing. You’re a couple of big performances (not tomorrow, you could turn up half cut and beat Italy) from winning the whole thing. The fact you’re not convinced and neither are the chattering classes means the odds are worth it.
If you want to throw money away you can just send some to me.
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@Dodge said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
not tomorrow, you could turn up half cut and beat Italy
Yes there some strange shit on this forum right now. Don't criticise a ten that has underperformed for years but talk up the chances of losing to fucking Italy??
