RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy
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"the opposition’s going to have too much possession and be able to fire too many shots. They probably have to defend a lot of players with X-factor". O'Gara
Pretty much what we've seen in the last 7-10 years or so. Other countries have better players than before and much better player development plans. Just look at France U20 development and the changes made to Irish rugby.
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O'Gara has more defensive insight than the ABs? Yikes. Could be true but oh so ironic.
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Nice article on Whitelock.
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@BerniesCorner said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
As an off topic statement as long as we hold our discipline and play with passion we can compete with any of the sides. The one area I am not so sure about is the SA bomb squad scrum. That is some serious sh*t to deal with.
Reasonably comforatble that Ofa/Coles/Nepo with BBBR and Big Sam/Scooter behind them will hold their own.
Not many RWC sides have two good scrummaging THs. -
I’ve said for some time that NZR is not a high performance organisation and we are seeing that manifest itself in all parts of the organisation - The All blacks being the most obvious.
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@akan004 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Ardie just said that the Ireland V SA game was one of the first non ABs games he has watched.
What a professional outfit we have here, one of our most senior players and stand in captain is not even bothered to see where the opposition is at. Sigh.
Not this again…
Someone dig up the old thread/s on rugby players that don’t sit around and watch rugby games from start to finish.
They watch snippets, packaged up footage. Who cares if they don’t sit and watch full games.
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@Tim said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
They can't even develop their best tight forward (Taukei'aho).
It's truly weird.
Can understand him coming off the bench if Ryan, Foster & co think that's his best place in the game plan (and he was bloody good in that role), but his impact seems to have dropped off the cliff. Used to be immaculate with his lineout throwing but that has deteriorated too.
Second season yips?
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@Victor-Meldrew This is his third season as a test player. He was very good in Super Rugby this year, and then they have barely played him. Poor coaching, as is the standard.
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I despair how they have mismanaged him this year.
He is made for test rugby and always gets over the advantage line and his set piece was very good.
What do they do? Give him a lack of minutes, play Coles in front of him to dent his confidence and we now have a hooker who could have been one of the shining lights in this pack, now reduced to sitting in the stands.
Same with Aumua, while he hasn’t helped himself with fitness earlier. I can’t believe that he is still languishing outside of this AB squad seemingly in the wilderness.
We know we have a real lack of quality forwards coming through and we seem to not know how to nurture promising young players into becoming starters and test players.
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Don't like being negative but have felt frustration for taking so long to get Jordie, Samisoni and Roigard in their rightful positions.
WJ should have had a decent go at 15 too. If this had happened in good time we would all be the wiser. It's too late now for this year.
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@Tim said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Poor coaching, as is the standard.
Same coaching set-up when he was getting game-time and being so bloody effective coming off the bench. Weird.
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@BerniesCorner said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Don't like being negative but have felt frustration for taking so long to get Jordie, Samisoni and Roigard in their rightful positions.
WJ should have had a decent go at 15 too. If this had happened in good time we would all be the wiser. It's too late now for this year.
The standout first five of SR hasn't had a decent run eitherTBF, with Jordie it kinda made sense as he was easily the outstanding FB in '21 and had played little 12 at SR.
Samisoni I just don't get. Is there something in training that Ryan is seeing and we aren't?
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@akan004 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Ardie just said that the Ireland V SA game was one of the first non ABs games he has watched.
What a professional outfit we have here, one of our most senior players and stand in captain is not even bothered to see where the opposition is at. Sigh.
I think he meant for this world Cup FFS
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@voodoo said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Machpants said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Mo'unga out means DMac to ten, and havili to the bench, I reckon
Why would we have Havili and ALB on the bench?
I'd go for Leicester, but I think that's what foster will do, if it happens. Or Clarke 🤮
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@taniwharugby said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Dan54 guess the difference is CT got numerous chances to play back into form after an average super season, ST doesn't seem to have been afforded the same opportunity
Could be mate, but I didn't actually think ST went really well in super, he was good but CT looked better all season. I still think ST doesn't really scare the big boys, like Boks etc. Don't get me wrong I am a fan of his, but just think at moment CT/DC maybe seen as a better option at scrum and lineout time.
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ST had a pretty good super rugby season.
I’m sure the big boys are far less scared of Codie Taylor mate!
Although he had a pretty good RC but we need him to really step up now. He has been an AB for 10 years now so if he starts he really needs to prove he is worthy of the starter jersey.
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@Dan54 I'm talking previous years when CT was poor, but kept getting chances.
I don't think any players are scared of anyone, but I wager ST is a.sight tougher to bring down.
Anywhoo, it's done now, time to deal to some Italians.
