RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy
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@george33 thanks for those insights, very interesting
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Re: peaking for the quarters onwards, that's absolutely what every top team tries to do, and is why you don't often see cricket scores run up in pool play these days. The game is now so bloody centered around size and power that players need to make sure they are in good shape come the quarter final. The 2015 ABs were very flat during pool play because they were following a plan that would keep them match fit and peaking for the quarter, which is exactly what they did.
Point being, form during pool play means very little unless it's a knockout scenario.
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@No-Quarter said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Kiwiwomble said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
is a RWC really where we want to be hoping someone finally lived up to their potential...or should we be playing guys that are already playing some of their best rugby
....Clarke is faster, more powerful...
look, maybe, on paper, but i just dont think we actually see him delivery that power or speed on game day very often, seems to get caught when trying to go around someone and doesnt seem to break many tackles when trying to go through people
so its a bit like the BB has the skills argument....if theyre not bringing them out on game day...do they actually have these abilities?
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Beauden Barrett is shit now. He’s lost his speed, doesn’t tackle and avoids contact and taking the ball to the line. He’s not a threat. Still a classy kicker or passer.
We need a threat at 15. Look at someone like Reece Walsh from the NRL. Fast, doesn’t avoid contact and ball playing, the triple threat to create opportunities.
Damian is our man. If fozzie moves Damian to 15 we become World Cup favourites. Would rather risk him making some errors for the chance that we can actually threaten on attack. Go down swinging with Damian instead of being comfortable and only losing by less than 20 with Beaudy.
FYI, Beauden is one of the best players I have seen in his prime. He is an all black legend and should always be remember as one. His time is done now.
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Now all the Dmac haters will say he makes too many errors. Do we want to go down how we did in 2019? Without even firing a shot?
Or do we want to go down fighting and pick the guy that could ignite our attack?
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@Yeahtheboys said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Beauden Barrett is shit now. He’s lost his speed, doesn’t tackle and avoids contact and taking the ball to the line. He’s not a threat. Still a classy kicker or passer.
We need a threat at 15. Look at someone like Reece Walsh from the NRL. Fast, doesn’t avoid contact and ball playing, the triple threat to create opportunities.
Damian is our man. If fozzie moves Damian to 15 we become World Cup favourites. Would rather risk him making some errors for the chance that we can actually threaten on attack. Go down swinging with Damian instead of being comfortable and only losing by less than 20 with Beaudy.
FYI, Beauden is one of the best players I have seen in his prime. He is an all black legend and should always be remember as one. His time is done now.
aannnddd, you lost us
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@voodoo said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Yeahtheboys said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Beauden Barrett is shit now. He’s lost his speed, doesn’t tackle and avoids contact and taking the ball to the line. He’s not a threat. Still a classy kicker or passer.
We need a threat at 15. Look at someone like Reece Walsh from the NRL. Fast, doesn’t avoid contact and ball playing, the triple threat to create opportunities.
Damian is our man. If fozzie moves Damian to 15 we become World Cup favourites. Would rather risk him making some errors for the chance that we can actually threaten on attack. Go down swinging with Damian instead of being comfortable and only losing by less than 20 with Beaudy.
FYI, Beauden is one of the best players I have seen in his prime. He is an all black legend and should always be remember as one. His time is done now.
aannnddd, you lost us
We don't need no set piece dominance
We don't need no breakdown control
No scrum dark arts in the engine room
Foster, DMac can win it alone -
I read somewhere DMac said Foster gives them (I presume the 10s) a lot of freedom
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@nostrildamus said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
I read somewhere DMac said Foster gives them (I presume the 10s) a lot of freedom
That might be half the problem!
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@canefan they need to be able to play whats in front of them and react to something they see, but look at the Irish, they are so disiplined in what they do, particularly on defence, they are all in, this then pressures the opposition creating opportunities and giving the freedom to attack, which is also because they have the trust in thier defensive system if it doesnt come off, but also, more often than not, they get the fuck out of thier 22, properly, as do several other top sides.
With the stats re kicking about at present and playing in the opposition half, it makes you wonder what either Foster is seeing to have plans for these short kicks, or, what the players think they are seeing over and over when the short kick is just putting more pressure on themselves.
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@KiwiMurph said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
The forwards seem to have gone backwards under Ryan - despite some bright spots. Their performance against the Boks at Twickenham was the worst I've seen in years.
I think it's a bit disingenuous to cherry pick a warm up game with zero riding on it as proof the forwards have gone backwards.
Warm-up game or not (and I'd argue no game against the Boks is a warm up game) it was still the worst forward display I've seen for years.
I watched the 2021 loss to France a week or so ago and the same problems were there in the opening game - lack of discipline, precision and ability to handle pressure - but for longer periods of the game.
The forwards are a hell of a lot better off under Ryan than they were under Plumtree.
Up until the last few weeks, I'd agree with you. But looking at the last few games and the debacle that was the 2nd half against England, I'm now not so sure. As I've said before, I hope they can get their RC mojo back.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@KiwiMurph said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
The forwards seem to have gone backwards under Ryan - despite some bright spots. Their performance against the Boks at Twickenham was the worst I've seen in years.
I think it's a bit disingenuous to cherry pick a warm up game with zero riding on it as proof the forwards have gone backwards.
Warm-up game or not (and I'd argue no game against the Boks is a warm up game) it was still the worst forward display I've seen for years.
I watched the 2021 loss to France a week or so ago and the same problems were there in the opening game - lack of discipline, precision and ability to handle pressure - but for longer periods of the game.
The forwards are a hell of a lot better off under Ryan than they were under Plumtree.
Up until the last few weeks, I'd agree with you. But looking at the last few games and the debacle that was the 2nd half against England, I'm now not so sure. As I've said before, I hope they can get their RC mojo back.
Dude the effort in Oz vs Argentina was much worse
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@Victor-Meldrew Discipline. That is the big thing for me. The ABs are unable to exert sufficient pressure on their opponents for long enough without gifting a relieving penalty. Teams are waiting for the ABs to make a mistake or infringe. And they do.
For the ABs to advance much further, the penalty count cannot be above 10 (given what SA, France and Ireland are achieving right now), and they cannot lose a man to a yellow or red (obviously).
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@Yeahtheboys Would be a travesty if D-Mac didn’t get a proper taste in a meaningful RWC game between 2019 and this year.
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@stodders said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Victor-Meldrew Discipline. That is the big thing for me. The ABs are unable to exert sufficient pressure on their opponents for long enough without gifting a relieving penalty. Teams are waiting for the ABs to make a mistake or infringe. And they do.
100%. agree. It's been getting steadily worse since around 2016, improved a bit in 2022, huge improvement in this RC but in the last few games has fallen off a cliff.
Whatever switch Ryan, Foster & co flipped earlier this year needs to re-flipped.