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    #99

    @Kiwiwomble I think they should be able to plan for peak performance now with a plateau for a few weeks before a drop off, it isnt like a one off game/fight/run/row/jump to plan for, with optimum fitness and weight, they would have been planning for a period of high performance.

    Point is, not many of our players are in form, let alone look to be coming into peak performance, but again, who knows, maybe Fozzie has had a long, long term plan....

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    @taniwharugby agreed almost everyone looks a bit rusty in some way at least

    a target of only a few weeks just feels really narrow compared to previous world cups, i feel we use to get shit pre 2011 for playing our best rugby in the YEARS in between world cups...peaking in the wrong YEAR...now all of a sudden we're talking about peaking in the wrong WEEK?

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    McKenzie training at 10 , Beauden 15, maybe McKenzie may force his way into 23 , early days find out Tonight

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    @Kiwiwomble I think the talk of peaking between RWCs was more a general comment about us playing well except in RWCs, but I dont think professional athletes can maintain peak performance all year, which is why they would no doubt have been targetting peak performance for ~ Sept/Oct?

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    The most frustrating thing for me, is I feel like if we get our tactics right, we have enough quality to be a serious threat to win the cup. But I have zero faith in us doing that consistently

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    @Kiwiwomble said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

    is a RWC really where we want to be hoping someone finally lived up to their potential...or should we be playing guys that are already playing some of their best rugby

    I don't think you could say Jordan is playing his best rugby right now, I wonder if he hasn't been fully fit. Moving Telea to the right where he has played a lot of footy in recent years and bringing Clarke or LF in makes sense. Clarke is faster, more powerful, and very solid under the high ball, so if he's fit and firing he's a very attractive option. He's also not fucking off next year which is a bonus.

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    @george33 thanks for those insights, very interesting

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    #106

    A smart team would be putting the ball behind Clarke or Fainga'anuku as both are very slow turning around.

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    Re: peaking for the quarters onwards, that's absolutely what every top team tries to do, and is why you don't often see cricket scores run up in pool play these days. The game is now so bloody centered around size and power that players need to make sure they are in good shape come the quarter final. The 2015 ABs were very flat during pool play because they were following a plan that would keep them match fit and peaking for the quarter, which is exactly what they did.

    Point being, form during pool play means very little unless it's a knockout scenario.

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    @No-Quarter said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

    @Kiwiwomble said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

    is a RWC really where we want to be hoping someone finally lived up to their potential...or should we be playing guys that are already playing some of their best rugby

    ....Clarke is faster, more powerful...

    look, maybe, on paper, but i just dont think we actually see him delivery that power or speed on game day very often, seems to get caught when trying to go around someone and doesnt seem to break many tackles when trying to go through people

    so its a bit like the BB has the skills argument....if theyre not bringing them out on game day...do they actually have these abilities?

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    Beauden plays better at 15 with Clarke there just my opinion

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    @george33 playing better than dogshit is hardly worth a mention

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    Beauden Barrett is shit now. He’s lost his speed, doesn’t tackle and avoids contact and taking the ball to the line. He’s not a threat. Still a classy kicker or passer.

    We need a threat at 15. Look at someone like Reece Walsh from the NRL. Fast, doesn’t avoid contact and ball playing, the triple threat to create opportunities.

    Damian is our man. If fozzie moves Damian to 15 we become World Cup favourites. Would rather risk him making some errors for the chance that we can actually threaten on attack. Go down swinging with Damian instead of being comfortable and only losing by less than 20 with Beaudy.

    FYI, Beauden is one of the best players I have seen in his prime. He is an all black legend and should always be remember as one. His time is done now.

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    Now all the Dmac haters will say he makes too many errors. Do we want to go down how we did in 2019? Without even firing a shot?

    Or do we want to go down fighting and pick the guy that could ignite our attack?

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    @Yeahtheboys said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

    Beauden Barrett is shit now. He’s lost his speed, doesn’t tackle and avoids contact and taking the ball to the line. He’s not a threat. Still a classy kicker or passer.

    We need a threat at 15. Look at someone like Reece Walsh from the NRL. Fast, doesn’t avoid contact and ball playing, the triple threat to create opportunities.

    Damian is our man. If fozzie moves Damian to 15 we become World Cup favourites. Would rather risk him making some errors for the chance that we can actually threaten on attack. Go down swinging with Damian instead of being comfortable and only losing by less than 20 with Beaudy.

    FYI, Beauden is one of the best players I have seen in his prime. He is an all black legend and should always be remember as one. His time is done now.

    aannnddd, you lost us

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    @voodoo said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

    @Yeahtheboys said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

    Beauden Barrett is shit now. He’s lost his speed, doesn’t tackle and avoids contact and taking the ball to the line. He’s not a threat. Still a classy kicker or passer.

    We need a threat at 15. Look at someone like Reece Walsh from the NRL. Fast, doesn’t avoid contact and ball playing, the triple threat to create opportunities.

    Damian is our man. If fozzie moves Damian to 15 we become World Cup favourites. Would rather risk him making some errors for the chance that we can actually threaten on attack. Go down swinging with Damian instead of being comfortable and only losing by less than 20 with Beaudy.

    FYI, Beauden is one of the best players I have seen in his prime. He is an all black legend and should always be remember as one. His time is done now.

    aannnddd, you lost us

    We don't need no set piece dominance
    We don't need no breakdown control
    No scrum dark arts in the engine room
    Foster, DMac can win it alone

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    I read somewhere DMac said Foster gives them (I presume the 10s) a lot of freedom

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    @nostrildamus said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

    I read somewhere DMac said Foster gives them (I presume the 10s) a lot of freedom

    That might be half the problem!

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    #117

    @canefan they need to be able to play whats in front of them and react to something they see, but look at the Irish, they are so disiplined in what they do, particularly on defence, they are all in, this then pressures the opposition creating opportunities and giving the freedom to attack, which is also because they have the trust in thier defensive system if it doesnt come off, but also, more often than not, they get the fuck out of thier 22, properly, as do several other top sides.

    With the stats re kicking about at present and playing in the opposition half, it makes you wonder what either Foster is seeing to have plans for these short kicks, or, what the players think they are seeing over and over when the short kick is just putting more pressure on themselves.

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    #118

    @Dodge

    Hey Dodge, I think after 4 years of Foster, most on here are blithering wrecks 😂

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