RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks
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No way will Smith play 70 min every game.
We could bring on an impact sub at 50 or 60, but nope, lets bring on Christie who just slows all our attack down, and reduces any chance we have to win
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@frugby said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Canes4life said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@frugby not from what we saw in the last game, Roigard made a huge impact coming on in that game and was the only one to dot down purely from sheer brilliance. A player like Roigard could be the difference from advancing in a WC playoff game and getting knocked out.
No, Fozzie should have just selected Finau at 6. But it again proves that the guy is so far out of his depth.
The reason the likes of Beauden, Cane etc went into bat for Fozzie after that South African test which saw him keep his job, was because they knew if Razor came in they probably wouldn’t have kept theirs.
Fozzie is far out of his depth.
Roigard is a good player, I never said he isn't... but it is easy to make an impact on a game when you are down by 30 points, as the opposition often takes their foot off of the pedal. If the ABs happened to be losing a tight one vs France in the opening game, I don't think bringing on Roigard v Christie has a major impact, as Smith is our best distributor. Roigard probably will only score one more individual try like that in his test career if he is lucky.
Finau wasn't selected because he lacks versatility... they really wanted Blackadder, who they are no going to get you'd think, and this becomes a non-issue. Finau's time might come, but he himself is a little raw.
Roigard is a seriously good distributor left and right. Haven't even mentioned his passion, kicking ability or running. Should be there.
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@Canes4life said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@frugby you don’t know that though. Smith being the small human he is could go down early in a game and then we are left with Christie. Surely it’s better to have reassurance knowing that you have a quality replacement, rather than a dud.
If Smith gets injured we are fucked anyway, so I wouldn't worry about it. Roigard is great, and his time will come, but he doesn't have the speed of delivery that Smith offers, which is essential to our gameplan.
@canefan said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
I'm not sure Smith goes deep into the game. Fozz sticks stubbornly to his plans so Aaron gets the hook mid half, plenty of time for Christie to stunt our go forward with his service at the breakdown
Wouldn't know which team you fellas support... love the patriotism though! There is no evidence either way of what Foster will do, as he has never coached us at a World Cup, but I think on the assumption the game is tight, Smith will play 70+... I guess time will tell.
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@BerniesCorner said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@frugby said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Canes4life said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@frugby not from what we saw in the last game, Roigard made a huge impact coming on in that game and was the only one to dot down purely from sheer brilliance. A player like Roigard could be the difference from advancing in a WC playoff game and getting knocked out.
No, Fozzie should have just selected Finau at 6. But it again proves that the guy is so far out of his depth.
The reason the likes of Beauden, Cane etc went into bat for Fozzie after that South African test which saw him keep his job, was because they knew if Razor came in they probably wouldn’t have kept theirs.
Fozzie is far out of his depth.
Roigard is a good player, I never said he isn't... but it is easy to make an impact on a game when you are down by 30 points, as the opposition often takes their foot off of the pedal. If the ABs happened to be losing a tight one vs France in the opening game, I don't think bringing on Roigard v Christie has a major impact, as Smith is our best distributor. Roigard probably will only score one more individual try like that in his test career if he is lucky.
Finau wasn't selected because he lacks versatility... they really wanted Blackadder, who they are no going to get you'd think, and this becomes a non-issue. Finau's time might come, but he himself is a little raw.
Roigard is a seriously good distributor left and right. Haven't even mentioned his passion, kicking ability or running. Should be there.
Roigard has got a good pass no doubt, but he isn't as quick as Smith, and even then his pass isn't as good as Smith's.
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@akan004 said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@pakman That pack worries me. Not much go forward. Need forwards that make the gaineline consistently. Apart from Barrett and Ardie, I don't think the rest of the pack can do that.
Yes, Laulala will make de Groot look mobile.
I was right about Ofa on the bench, and LF too. But Christie!!
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For starters. Laser like focus needed, patience, zero mistakes. We are not the most talented team but we can win it.
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@Machpants said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
So your argument is if we don't have Smith we're fucked so just have a shit option on the bench cos it won't matter? Roigard is better and should be in the bench. Simple.
I'm not arguing Roigard shouldn't be on the bench. I think Christie is just as shit as everyone else does. I more so saying, I don't think it actually has a material impact, because if he is fit, Smith will play big minutes, and if Smith gets injured, I don't believe Roigard (or Christie for that matter) offer what we need to have any chance of winning.
The bigger selection issues for me are at 3, 6, 12 & 19... (obviously all injured forced) those will all have a far greater impact on the game.
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@Machpants yeah I'm not really understanding his argument. Roigard is a match winner and he showed that plenty of times for the Canes this year. His numbers were by far the best out of any halfback in the competition (including Smith), and I don't think that he's much of a drop down from Smith at all.
But Fozzie loves mediocre players with no impact so that's why he's selected Christie I guess.
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@Canes4life said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Machpants yeah I'm not really understanding his argument. Roigard is a match winner and he showed that plenty of times for the Canes this year. His numbers were by far the best out of any halfback in the competition (including Smith), and I don't think that he's much of a drop down from Smith at all.
Correct, you aren't understanding my argument. If you want you can debate that last point, it is a fair argument.
My argument is that it doesn't actually matter, because if we are in trouble, it won't be a halfback who digs us out of it, and if it is a halfback, end even if it is a halfback, I think it is more likely to be Smith controlling the game, and a death by 1000 quick passes, rather than an individually brilliant snipe. For the millionth time, I think Christie is shit haha.
I'm sure TJ Perenara's SR numbers were also better than Smith's, because SR is a different game. More open, weaker defences etc. However, Knockout games at the RWC are all about exuding control, and Smith brings that in far greater capacity than all of our halfbacks in my opinion.
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@gt12 said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Windows97 said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Jacobsen - but he got exposed cruelly against SA.
We can now watch Papps get cruelly exposed against France.
Good times...
This is a joke post right?
He was the player subbed. He had fuck all time to be cruelly exposed.
It's Paps chance to shine
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@frugby a halfback has a huge impact on a game. They touch the ball more than anyone else in the side. The fact you say a halfback won't win us a game or get us out of trouble if we are in the shit is nonsense. Just look at France and the impact of Du Pont, take him out and France are clearly not the threat they are when he's there. He's a sniper and has the ability to rip teams up so your point about having a speedy pass isn't the be all and end all.
Roigard has attributes that are tailor made to WC knock out rugby. His kicking game is second to none, he has the size to mix it up with the bigger teams and he has the best running game of any NZ halfback apart from maybe Fakatava. Christie offers none of these, so going back to my original point of having Roigard on the bench over Christie could definitely be the difference in us losing and winning a WC knock-out game.
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Well vs Springboks Roigard changed the game as soon as he ran on the pitch
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@Dan54 said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
After quick reflection, I thinking perhaps Christie ha got bench spot because coaches feel he's got extra experience in the furnace if he has to come on early?
Strong defensively too, although his form this year isn't great.
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To have any chance.
Huge patience. Cut out the 50:50's
DONT F*CK ABOUT IN OUR OWN HALF. KICK IT!!!
Pick and goes. We are very good at this.
Make use of the opponent corners.Mistakes so far. No Roigard, too many wingers.
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Looking forward to this, (even with the 23 named being somewhat not unexpected) me and the missus are heading to the game. Leaving early tomorrow on the redeye, weather is humid as here in England, and is due to be more so in Paris (27 degrees) on Friday evening. Me and the missus will wear our best best Black in an effort to hold the Kiwi end up among 85k rabid, baying French. Should be a good night.
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frugby are you really arguing to put shitty replacements on the bench when we have a really good match winner not being selected? That's an argument that's not making a lot of sense.
I'll probably also put McKenzie on the bench too, he could really change a game around and offer a point of difference.
