All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Stop, start, stop, start. This game has no flow to it at all and it’s not helping us.
Again, pretty much par for the course for European Rugby in the last 20 years.
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The ref and TMO are not committing the penalties
Just enforcing them
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Stop, start, stop, start. This game has no flow to it at all and it’s not helping us.
Again, pretty much par for the course for European Rugby in the last 20 years.
This is an awful product. After the RWC they need to revamp the game.
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
The ref and TMO are not committing the penalties
Just enforcing them
Refs are afraid to give straight reds now since the bunker was introduced. They just abdicate responsibility.
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@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
The ref and TMO are not committing the penalties
Just enforcing them
Refs are afraid to give straight reds now since the bunker was introduced. They just abdicate responsibility.
As they should.
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@Steve I was just messaging a friend the same thing , it’s an awful product
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I would sub some of our key guys off now. No point risking anyone for the last twenty.
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@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
The ref and TMO are not committing the penalties
Just enforcing them
Refs are afraid to give straight reds now since the bunker was introduced. They just abdicate responsibility.
That's the idea of the change.
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@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
The ref and TMO are not committing the penalties
Just enforcing them
Refs are afraid to give straight reds now since the bunker was introduced. They just abdicate responsibility.
Both are yellow cards, not clear reds, so they're doing it right
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@Mattasaurus said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Watching the NPC last night where the ref did his best stay out of the game, versus this, its a different game.
People keep saying this - so please tell us which calls he shouldn't have made today?
I think you're being deliberately obtuse.
Rugby is a sport where you can find a penalty at every ruck. Refs can do this, and you can then ask the question 'which call shouldn't have been made today'? What I want to see from refs is consistency, particularly around materiality. What shits supporters is the appearance of different standards during the game, or between teams.
3 penalties then a card 35 m out suggests a tightly whistled game; ignoring ball killing by SA late in the half will then have people asking whether that's consistent.
There is a lot of subjectivity, and there's a lot of pearl clutching on here, but the quality of the refereeing and the law interpretations aren't great. It's very hard to ref this game well, and the best refs generally let non-material things flow. As someone said, it's refs looking like they don't want attention, vs being at the centre of it.
This ref feels like a penalty for every ruck, and a card for most players. It's technically 'not wrong' but you'd struggle to say it's good. I've been frustrated with the framework and application of laws for a while, particularly around the inconsistencies from week to week.
Anyhoo, good physical but limited work from the Bokke. Well played, we've been defending really well, and playing some stupid stupid footy.
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@Steven-Harris This game is trending Number 1 on X in the UK at the moment. Lots of people will be loving this. Just not the sort of people who mostly inhabit the Silver Fern.
