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  • boobooB Do not disturb
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    #1316

    @MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:

    @His-Bobness said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:

    Gregor Paul has a go at over-zealous officiating.

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    Sport, Rugby

    Gregor Paul: Rugby World Cup looks set to be hijacked by pedantry, fakery and group-think

    Gregor Paul: Rugby World Cup looks set to be hijacked by pedantry, fakery and group-think

    Opinion: The biggest loser on Saturday was potentially the global rugby fraternity.

    Would you like some cheese with your whine Gregor?

    Yeah, those Sweaties can be whingy fucks eh?

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    @OomPB No other country has players who play club/provincial Rugby so far and wide. It can make cohesion a problem for the Boks occasionally (not at all on Friday night), but boy does it give them lots and lots of Rugby smarts.

    The All Blacks (especially the Barrett trio) looked like dumb, naive bunnies by comparison on the Twickenham Friday night turf.

    Time for Foster’s men to wise up and smell the coffee and fast.

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    #1318

    @MiketheSnow Uncle Gregor has a point though, with the seemingly arbitrary use of replay. And it’s nicely written!

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    #1319

    Could be worse. At least we didn't lose to Fiji.

    Had a chat with my rugby mad uncle last night and he made a good point: we would expect to destroy any side that had 13 men for a period, then 14 for half the game. Obviously there were other concerning elements but that part is definitely true.

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    @game_film without a doubt it was pedantic, but we failed to adjust to both that and the Boks play, who managed to adapt much better.

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    @OomPB said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:

    @sparky well our teams play in the URC and HC. The first half a season of URC was a nightmare and all the teams was at the bottom. The URC plays a massive role in our players development. Not only our teams but also our players in the opposition like our Munster lock pair and Vermeulen.

    Regarding Foster Mr nice guy, compare him to Rassie the guy everybody hates who can think out of the box.

    It's fine to be a Mr Nice guy, but you have to be ruthless too and that's what Foster lacks. He's afraid to make the tough calls. He's also incredibly stubborn and rarely will change his mind on players and tactics. By all means have him as an assistant coach but no way is he a head coach.

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  • TimT Away
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    Some real dud selections in this squad. Williams and Newell are nowhere near ready for test rugby, Vaa'i has no physical impact, and Jacobson is a converted seven who is absolutely lost at test level. Then there is the thoroughly unathletic Lienert-Brown.

    France will destroy that forward pack.

    De Groot is back to slow and ponderous.

    Ryan needs to open both eyes.

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  • HigginsH Offline
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    @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:

    @Higgins said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:

    @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:

    @Machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:

    @antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:

    @Machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:

    And he can't own up when his team puts what is objectively the worst performance ever in black

    Utter fucking nonsense.

    So a28 point loss isn't objectively the worst ever? Carry on in your dream world. He at no point in the interview admits anything but good learnings. Not 'we didn't prepare well enough' nor 'the tactics weren't quite right' doing shitty little kicks in our 22.Just we will learn. Except they don't and haven't over the last 6 odd years

    Losing to Munster 12-0 in 78 is the worst ever…

    No it's not, I well remember a real spanking against Sydney 17 - 40 at Penrith in 1992 that was the ultimate pits. That's the same year we had an unbeaten tour of Sth Africa!

    That NSW side was basically the Wallabies other than about 3 players. And I think the margin was bigger than that!

    NSW got smoked 41 - 09 earlier in the tour so their almost Wallabies lineup did not do them much good. Not so much trouble for the Sydney outfit that played the ABs mid week between the second and third tests who would not have had any of the Wallabies squad members turning out for them that night which makes the hiding copped even worse.

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    #1324

    Pretty sure we played our dirt trackers against Sydney.

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    #1325

    @akan004 said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:

    Pretty sure we played our dirt trackers against Sydney.

    Yep.

    Terry Wright, Eric Rush, Marc Ellis, Matthew Cooper, Eroni Clarke, Stephen Bachop, Jon Preston, Pat Lam, Dallas Seymour, Andy Earl, Mark Cooksley, Blair Larsen, Graham Purvis, Graham Dowd and Steve McDowall

    That was still a very strong Sydney team. Simon Poidevin was captain.

    Hartill
    M. Bell
    A. Blades
    T. Kava (C)
    W. W. Waugh
    M. C. Brial
    S. Poidevin
    B. T. Gavin
    A. Ekert (Payne)
    T. Wallace
    P. Jorgensen
    L. F. Walker
    R. C. Tombs
    D. K. Junee
    T. P. Kelaher

    I think most had played or went on to play for Aus.

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    Watching the Breakdown. Jeff Wilson is spot on re Scott Barrett. Cleanout to shoulder. Lots of other clean outs similar. Should not have been a yellow.

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  • MN5M Online
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    @Tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:

    Some real dud selections in this squad. Williams and Newell are nowhere near ready for test rugby, Vaa'i has no physical impact, and Jacobson is a converted seven who is absolutely lost at test level. Then there is the thoroughly unathletic Lienert-Brown.

    France will destroy that forward pack.

    De Groot is back to slow and ponderous.

    Ryan needs to open both eyes.

    Seeing him trying to beat someone on the outside late in the game was just embarrassing.

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    @MN5 said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:

    @Tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:

    Some real dud selections in this squad. Williams and Newell are nowhere near ready for test rugby, Vaa'i has no physical impact, and Jacobson is a converted seven who is absolutely lost at test level. Then there is the thoroughly unathletic Lienert-Brown.

    France will destroy that forward pack.

    De Groot is back to slow and ponderous.

    Ryan needs to open both eyes.

    Seeing him trying to beat someone on the outside late in the game was just embarrassing.

    To think many thought Goodhew and ALB were going to anchor the AB midfield years back

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    @kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:

    Watching the Breakdown. Jeff Wilson is spot on re Scott Barrett. Cleanout to shoulder. Lots of other clean outs similar. Should not have been a yellow.

    Absolute nonsense

    He came from distance at speed and hit a player that was not affecting the outcome of the ruck and who was unsighted and unable to defend himself

    Scooter’s clean out had no influence on the outcome of that breakdown

    On the clumsy to filth scale where clumsy is 1 and filth is 10 this rates between 6 and 7 for me and deservedly merited a YC

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  • ChrisC Offline
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    a few players who are staying for 2024 are not gong to make the AB's next year.

    ALB,B Barret,Clarke,Cane,Vaai,Newell,Ofa,Jacobson,Christie, are all in danger IMO.

    Williams I think will stay he has some upsides. Size and can play both sides of the scrum.

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    @Chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:

    a few players who are staying for 2024 are not gong to make the AB's next year.

    ALB,B Barret,Clarke,Cane,Vaai,Newell,Ofa,Jacobson,Christie, are all in danger IMO.

    Williams I think will stay he has some upsides. Size and can play both sides of the scrum.

    This RWC is their big chance at a last hurrah then. It's gonna be tough

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    @game_film said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:

    @MiketheSnow Uncle Gregor has a point though, with the seemingly arbitrary use of replay. And it’s nicely written!

    “It became impossible to tell and it would be interesting to know how many TV viewers began scanning their phones 20 minutes into the match at Twickenham – half watching the game, half scrolling Instagram in the hope it might provide the entertainment that the rugby couldn’t”

    Anyone who was doing that was obviously not in charge of the remote and didn’t want to watch the match in the first place

    What tripe

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    replied to MiketheSnow on last edited by
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    @MiketheSnow Did you watch the show? They showed two clean outs to the heads of All Blacks. Scott’s was to the right of the ball, and yes worthy of a penalty, but not to head. Your dirt rating assumes intent which is just speculation.

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    Rugby is a fast aggressive confrontational game. It's going to be very easy to go down a player or two the way the game is being ruled right now

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    replied to Tim on last edited by pakman
    #1335

    @Tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:

    Some real dud selections in this squad. Williams and Newell are nowhere near ready for test rugby, Vaa'i has no physical impact, and Jacobson is a converted seven who is absolutely lost at test level. Then there is the thoroughly unathletic Lienert-Brown.

    France will destroy that forward pack.

    De Groot is back to slow and ponderous.

    Ryan needs to open both eyes.

    Call me hindsight Harry, but I wanted to post something fairly similar when I saw the bench.

    It was made worse by the fact that Bok 23 was named well in advance. Nche is probably the Bok's best scrummaging LH, and same can be said for Nbonambi at hooker. And Nyakane their no. 2 TH. With serious power in second row.

    Both Vaa'i and Lord are LH locks, so it ought to have been clear second half scrums were going to be a BIG challenge.

    So Nepo and Ofa ought to have been a given.

    Likewise, Finau would have been closest LFL swap for Frizell.

    Of course, that's assuming to win the Qatar Cup was the priority.

    Obviously not. At the cost of the Baby Blacks getting a spanking in second half, TWM have learned some pretty important lessons for French game, one being that the mobile, looser, forwards which prosper in Super get found out against the top level in the tight.

    The biggest issue is the injury squeeze with BBBR and Frizell, as that leaves us without a heavy duty 6.

    To paraphrase the Matrix, 'Tell me, Mr. Foster, what good is a gamebreaking winger, if you're unable to secure any pill?'.

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