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@canefan said in AB RWC Squad:
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Parsons gang floated an undicslosed injury in back five. BB wasn't risked in Bled2 becuase of some niggle.
There might be some shenanigans with Narawa?
His niggly injury is taking ages to recover from. I wonder if the AB's a still paid by which squads they make? (it used to be three chunks - June Tests, 3N, EOYT)
Narawa gets paid, pulls out and replaced by Blackadder, who they keep talking aboutAnd then who replaces Blackadder when he gets injured washing the jerseys?
Ennor will be recovered by then so can get the call up, but then who will replace him when he trips walking up the escalator at Auckland airport?
Mike Brewer?
Was it he that got injured by a piece of luggage at the airport and missed the 1999 cup? Poor Mike was a walking sick note
1999 is a bit late for Brewer. In 1991 he was injured but came right by the time of the RWC but I don't think the NZRU let them pick an injured player back then.
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@Nepia said in AB RWC Squad:
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@Kirwan said in AB RWC Squad:
@Duluth said in AB RWC Squad:
@pakman said in AB RWC Squad:
Parsons gang floated an undicslosed injury in back five. BB wasn't risked in Bled2 becuase of some niggle.
There might be some shenanigans with Narawa?
His niggly injury is taking ages to recover from. I wonder if the AB's a still paid by which squads they make? (it used to be three chunks - June Tests, 3N, EOYT)
Narawa gets paid, pulls out and replaced by Blackadder, who they keep talking aboutAnd then who replaces Blackadder when he gets injured washing the jerseys?
Ennor will be recovered by then so can get the call up, but then who will replace him when he trips walking up the escalator at Auckland airport?
Mike Brewer?
Was it he that got injured by a piece of luggage at the airport and missed the 1999 cup? Poor Mike was a walking sick note
1999 is a bit late for Brewer. In 1991 he was injured but came right by the time of the RWC but I don't think the NZRU let them pick an injured player back then.
I seem to recall someone got hurt as the team was leaving for England in 1999. Hart could have taken Filo Tiatia, who was one of the form 8s that season but missed the cut when I thought he should have gone. Instead he took Ben Blair(?). Might be talking shit
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@canefan said in AB RWC Squad:
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@canefan said in AB RWC Squad:
@Kirwan said in AB RWC Squad:
@Nepia said in AB RWC Squad:
@Kirwan said in AB RWC Squad:
@Duluth said in AB RWC Squad:
@pakman said in AB RWC Squad:
Parsons gang floated an undicslosed injury in back five. BB wasn't risked in Bled2 becuase of some niggle.
There might be some shenanigans with Narawa?
His niggly injury is taking ages to recover from. I wonder if the AB's a still paid by which squads they make? (it used to be three chunks - June Tests, 3N, EOYT)
Narawa gets paid, pulls out and replaced by Blackadder, who they keep talking aboutAnd then who replaces Blackadder when he gets injured washing the jerseys?
Ennor will be recovered by then so can get the call up, but then who will replace him when he trips walking up the escalator at Auckland airport?
Mike Brewer?
Was it he that got injured by a piece of luggage at the airport and missed the 1999 cup? Poor Mike was a walking sick note
1999 is a bit late for Brewer. In 1991 he was injured but came right by the time of the RWC but I don't think the NZRU let them pick an injured player back then.
I seem to recall someone got hurt as the team was leaving for England in 1999. Hart could have taken Filo Tiatia, who was one of the form 8s that season but missed the cut. Instead he took Ben Blair(?). Might be talking shit
Might have been Maka or had he just been dropped by then? That was pre Ben Blair times though. Carlos was injured out of that team wasn't he?
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@Nepia said in AB RWC Squad:
@canefan said in AB RWC Squad:
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@Kirwan said in AB RWC Squad:
@Nepia said in AB RWC Squad:
@Kirwan said in AB RWC Squad:
@Duluth said in AB RWC Squad:
@pakman said in AB RWC Squad:
Parsons gang floated an undicslosed injury in back five. BB wasn't risked in Bled2 becuase of some niggle.
There might be some shenanigans with Narawa?
His niggly injury is taking ages to recover from. I wonder if the AB's a still paid by which squads they make? (it used to be three chunks - June Tests, 3N, EOYT)
Narawa gets paid, pulls out and replaced by Blackadder, who they keep talking aboutAnd then who replaces Blackadder when he gets injured washing the jerseys?
Ennor will be recovered by then so can get the call up, but then who will replace him when he trips walking up the escalator at Auckland airport?
Mike Brewer?
Was it he that got injured by a piece of luggage at the airport and missed the 1999 cup? Poor Mike was a walking sick note
1999 is a bit late for Brewer. In 1991 he was injured but came right by the time of the RWC but I don't think the NZRU let them pick an injured player back then.
I seem to recall someone got hurt as the team was leaving for England in 1999. Hart could have taken Filo Tiatia, who was one of the form 8s that season but missed the cut. Instead he took Ben Blair(?). Might be talking shit
Might have been Maka or had he just been dropped by then? That was pre Ben Blair times though. Carlos was injured out of that team wasn't he?
Might have been Carlos got injured. I'll have to have a look, or someone in the collective will clarify it
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@Nepia said in AB RWC Squad:
1999 is a bit late for Brewer. In 1991 he was injured but came right by the time of the RWC but I don't think the NZRU let them pick an injured player back then.
The controversy I remember with Brewer was on the 1993 EOYT when he was in the UK on business and got selected ahead of Barry for the Baabaas game.
He was also going to be Mains' choice of captain in 1992, but was injured again.
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@Bovidae said in AB RWC Squad:
@Nepia said in AB RWC Squad:
1999 is a bit late for Brewer. In 1991 he was injured but came right by the time of the RWC but I don't think the NZRU let them pick an injured player back then.
The controversy I remember with Brewer was on the 1993 EOYT when he was in the UK on business and got selected ahead of Barry for the Baabaas game.
He was also going to be Mains' choice of captain in 1992, but was injured again.
Yes, he also missed a World Cup having to do a fitness test without strapping.
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Mike Brewer was named in the squads for both the 1987 and the 1991 World Cups but missed both through injury. He was also Laurie Mains’ choice for Captain in 1992 but missed the Tests against the World XV and Ireland through injury so Sean Fitzpatrick got the gig.
Fortunately Mike Brewer had more luck in 1995 and was part of the team that went to the famous Ellis Park final.
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There are some pretty unlikely scenarios being thrown about. We have to operate with a smaller squad and yes the outside back contingency seems like overkill. But were they ever going to select 5 locks regardless? Nope. Hey we only took 3 locks to 2015!
i get this, but
As it stands, with Retallick out for 2 or 3 games, we have 3 locks and 5 loosies. You need a combination of 7 of these for every match. It just means that we're putting a lot of load on the first stringers early in the tournament.
It does help that the two hardest pool games are pretty early, and it's likely the top side plays them anyway. 1 more injury and you are out of options. two and you are out of players, not matter what their positions are.
I think the only significant problem is if one of the indispensable locks (or Frizell) gets a short run injury against South Africa. Then we'd go into the game against France with two big guys having to play 80 minutes and no proper injury cover.
Otherwise, we can surely manage short-handed vs the minnows and Italy - and Retallick hopefully back by then anyway.
But, why take the risk? The fifth wing will maximum play vs Namibia and Uruguay.
As much as anything it's the lack of logic that annoys me. I just can't see how you'd think this balance was the best idea (short of Will Jordan and a wing friend really are going by ship and they expect them to be stuck in Suez for some considerable time)!
Foster said it was all to do with training, which makes sense I guess. Even if the 33rd guy with a loose forward, he too would probably be limited to a couple of pool matches.
I kind of struggle to see that having a 15th back to help out with training is going to outweigh the value of having someone like Josh Lord available to sit on the bench if we were to end up with only two locks available vs France.
Usually, I can at least see the logic behind Fozzie's selections, but this one has me beat.
Especially when they can and are taking extra players. So, why not take an extra outside to help with training and guarantee having enough locks/loosies?
Got me beat.
I wonder whether it is as simple as that they couldn't decide between Leicester, Emoni, and Caleb so took them all.
They’re not taking extra players to the RWC though. They may be in the region, but they won’t be training with or be around the squad at all. Given all the cameras around and some of the controversy from past RWC about replacement players and decisions about squads, I don’t think the ABs will be do any sneaky stuff!
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Maybe it's my memory failing but this squad seems to be carrying more niggles and injury concerns than previous RWC squads, (even including McCaw's foot).
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@ACT-Crusader said in AB RWC Squad:
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@ACT-Crusader said in AB RWC Squad:
There are some pretty unlikely scenarios being thrown about. We have to operate with a smaller squad and yes the outside back contingency seems like overkill. But were they ever going to select 5 locks regardless? Nope. Hey we only took 3 locks to 2015!
i get this, but
As it stands, with Retallick out for 2 or 3 games, we have 3 locks and 5 loosies. You need a combination of 7 of these for every match. It just means that we're putting a lot of load on the first stringers early in the tournament.
It does help that the two hardest pool games are pretty early, and it's likely the top side plays them anyway. 1 more injury and you are out of options. two and you are out of players, not matter what their positions are.
I think the only significant problem is if one of the indispensable locks (or Frizell) gets a short run injury against South Africa. Then we'd go into the game against France with two big guys having to play 80 minutes and no proper injury cover.
Otherwise, we can surely manage short-handed vs the minnows and Italy - and Retallick hopefully back by then anyway.
But, why take the risk? The fifth wing will maximum play vs Namibia and Uruguay.
As much as anything it's the lack of logic that annoys me. I just can't see how you'd think this balance was the best idea (short of Will Jordan and a wing friend really are going by ship and they expect them to be stuck in Suez for some considerable time)!
Foster said it was all to do with training, which makes sense I guess. Even if the 33rd guy with a loose forward, he too would probably be limited to a couple of pool matches.
I kind of struggle to see that having a 15th back to help out with training is going to outweigh the value of having someone like Josh Lord available to sit on the bench if we were to end up with only two locks available vs France.
Usually, I can at least see the logic behind Fozzie's selections, but this one has me beat.
Especially when they can and are taking extra players. So, why not take an extra outside to help with training and guarantee having enough locks/loosies?
Got me beat.
I wonder whether it is as simple as that they couldn't decide between Leicester, Emoni, and Caleb so took them all.
They’re not taking extra players to the RWC though. They may be in the region, but they won’t be training with or be around the squad at all. Given all the cameras around and some of the controversy from past RWC about replacement players and decisions about squads, I don’t think the ABs will be do any sneaky stuff!
I didn't say they were going to the WC. I'm talking about the training until then.
But the unlucky omissions from the France-bound squad of 33 have been handed a lifeline of sorts, with All Blacks coach Ian Foster confirming straight after his announcement in Napier on Monday that he would carry three additions through until the start of the tournament. Finau, Weber and Canterbury hooker George Bell would fill those roles as they cover key positions for the squad which heads to Twickenham to take on South Africa on August 26 in their last pre-World Cup hitout. They open the global tournament against France on September 8. -
@taniwharugby said in AB RWC Squad:
@chimoaus said in AB RWC Squad:
Didn’t Fitzy get the 87 nod due to injury?
For Hika Reid?
Andy Dalton I think who was also captain.
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@voodoo said in AB RWC Squad:
About 712 hours until we kick off against France in case anyone wanted to know.
Going to need to sleep a lot of those, not sure I can survive on threads about historical injuries until then
We might need a series on best All Blacks World Cup XV, could be interesting to reflect on who had the biggest impact and why.
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@chimoaus said in AB RWC Squad:
We might need a series on best All Blacks World Cup XV, could be interesting to reflect on who had the biggest impact and why.
We actually did something like last RWC. Votes on every position for the best AB RWC side
I'll post that xv in a new thread
I doubt anyone pushed their way in after RWC 2019..
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@chimoaus said in AB RWC Squad:
What have been some of the worst WC injuries either just before or during? Carter is up there but I think Tana in 03 fucked us. Didn’t Fitzy get the 87 nod due to injury?
Andy Dalton blew his leg out in an impromptu run session at the Poenamo before the 87 cup. Fitzy became the starter and David Kirk became Captain. Hence Dalton's sheepish look when he held up the cup with Kirk. Probably felt gutted it wasn't him
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@voodoo said in AB RWC Squad:
About 712 hours until we kick off against France in case anyone wanted to know.
Going to need to sleep a lot of those, not sure I can survive on threads about historical injuries until then
What about we talk about how the match review and judiciary screwed us over in 2007 with the Lauaki citing, decision and handling of the appeal.
I still maintain that Lauaki should’ve been playing as that impact and point of difference off the bench.
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@ACT-Crusader said in AB RWC Squad:
@voodoo said in AB RWC Squad:
About 712 hours until we kick off against France in case anyone wanted to know.
Going to need to sleep a lot of those, not sure I can survive on threads about historical injuries until then
What about we talk about how the match review and judiciary screwed us over in 2007 with the Lauaki citing, decision and handling of the appeal.
I still maintain that Lauaki should’ve been playing as that impact and point of difference off the bench.
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