Australia v All Blacks - Bled I
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Biggest negative in the match was the cleanout work of the tight five. I don't think it's a personnel issue as it's happened multiple times in the last few years with different players involved. It's like we have too many players holding width for the next phase and we become easy to disrupt.
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I'd imagine Weber's issue is his lack of size? Want a bigger 9 to close out the games?
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@Frank said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@TheMojoman said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Christie has played 16 tests and by all accounts has played well enough to continue to be selected.
He has continued to be selected because the selectors have been keen to move on from Weber and Perenara and there was a lack of better alternatives outside those known quantities.
Roigard should be given as many minutes as possible because, if, God forbid, something happens to Aaron Smith, we want our BEST halfback starting, not some guy who has been passable at best.
I love your passion as a fan Frank but I doubt selectors and coaches will see it your way. I could be wrong but Hansen & Fozzie have been pretty consistent how they select and promote players.
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@canefan said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@booboo said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@Winger said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@KiwiMurph said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@TheMojoman said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Cam is the 3rd option. Let him develop as such. Unless he can be outstanding and give us something we don’t have now I’d stick with Smith/Christie.
Roigard offered something different to Christie last night. His speed and accuracy of pass was a huge reason the ABs didnt have their typical late game fade.
Agree. The team really stepped up when Roigard came on. Maybe a coincidence but maybe not. Starting him next week will give the coaches a much better idea.
He's at a different level to Christie. I think Roigard has the potential to be a future great like Smith. Christie looks only ok to me.
I didn't watch as much of the Hurricanes games (sober) as some others, so haven't bought into the Roigard hype.
But he seems more composed that Christie.
I do wonder if they left Webber out as they know he was No.2 and they've been testing these two.
My conspiracy theory and I'm sticking with it.
Smith Webber, Roigard in that order for me.
Webber is a baffling one. I can't believe that Fozz would choose the ginga over him
I know I’ve been defending Ginga but you’re right. I’m baffled as to why Weber isn’t backing up Smith. Then you can afford to carry and develop Roigard.
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@sparky said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Eddie’s press conference to enjoy, especially if you are Dave Rennie.
Blame McLenahan. Apparently it was his Capt call to bring back Eddie. Then he got his mate Waugh selected as CEO once Jonker had enough.
Eddie’s just being Eddie. It may work out, especially if Wallabies can get to RWC final.
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@Duluth said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Biggest negative in the match was the cleanout work of the tight five. I don't think it's a personnel issue as it's happened multiple times in the last few years with different players involved. It's like we have too many players holding width for the next phase and we become easy to disrupt.
Is it because we need extra width when we play Mo’unga at 10? When we go around the ruck it isn’t a problem, but maybe we are needing too many big bodies just a touch too wide when we go lateral so that we can set up the wrap plays they seem to prefer for Mo’unga?
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@allblackfan2 said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@Chris-B in addition to the other stats the AB’s discipline has been noticeable and to not have had any cards in the RC is impressive.
It’s a false dawn. I’m just going to throw it out there, but I reckon we will get carded off the park in the World Cup….
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@gt12 said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@Duluth said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Biggest negative in the match was the cleanout work of the tight five. I don't think it's a personnel issue as it's happened multiple times in the last few years with different players involved. It's like we have too many players holding width for the next phase and we become easy to disrupt.
Is it because we need extra width when we play Mo’unga at 10? When we go around the ruck it isn’t a problem, but maybe we are needing too many big bodies just a touch too wide when we go lateral so that we can set up the wrap plays they seem to prefer for Mo’unga?
I don’t think that’s the case. From my armchair it’s more about having more bodies in the play to create number mismatches. The short passing / offload game that we saw under Henry is back and then once we have created go forward and drawn in opposition defenders then we go wide
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@nostrildamus said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Maybe Christie fits their game plan better? But Weber seems more assertive to me, I'd prefer him.
I'd see Christie as back up for Nuggie, and Roigard in pole position against Weber and Fakatava as impact/closer.
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I’m a little blown away with what a great player Scott Barrett has become.
I almost looked at him as a token selection due to the sir name when he was first selected, I got that wrong.
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I’m not too concerned about that.
If we are getting carded then other sides will be too.
We keep up our physicality and breakdown work we won’t be under pressure with penalties etc.
We need to have that consistency in performance, which we have seen so far this year
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@KiwiMurph said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Hard to get a full sense at the ground.
Some thoughts
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Good crowd and good pyrotechnics but the sound tends to go up. I thought the atmosphere was better under the roof at the Marvel last year but the better game probably contributed to that. To get 84k at a Bledisloe given how the Wallabies are going is a good effort. The G is an excellent venue to get in and out of though.
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Jordan is something else. We are usually blessed with good wingers but he is on another level.
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I think we really need DMac in the 23 in the big games come RWC. That first 30 mins or so Wallabies defence was good and at times we needed more variety. Other teams will have that same strong defence for 80 minutes and we will need to mix it up.
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Jordie gets through an absolute mountain of work and has so many good involvements. Easily our best 12 since Nonu.
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Roigard is our bench 9. Was watching him very closely and he was superb - his service was excellent and he made a huge difference. So much better than Christie it isnt funny.
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Wallabies need to take some things off of Gordon's plate. He's had to do everything - goal kick, restart, kick for touch, run everything at 10.
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Best I've seen Clarke look for ABs for a long time. Might have been last chance saloon if he didn't (Telea far better left wing option though). All the bench was good.
Scott Barrett is the first lock picked. Currently nz rugby player of the year imo. Which means frizzell can stay at 6. I’d be tempted to start whitelock ahead of retallick
Jordie at 12 is quickly becoming world class and in the discussion for world XV.
I thought the work down the blindside was a good option. Made loads of yards at times.
The replacement props were actually ok this week.
Missing link = impact loose forward. We could really do with a replacement loosie with genuine impact.
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@kiwiinmelb said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
I’m a little blown away with what a great player Scott Barrett has become.
I almost looked at him as a token selection due to the sir name when he was first selected, I got that wrong.
You did. It’s surname.
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@Billy-Tell said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@kiwiinmelb said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
I’m a little blown away with what a great player Scott Barrett has become.
I almost looked at him as a token selection due to the sir name when he was first selected, I got that wrong.
You did. It’s surname.
2027 he will captain ABs to RWC glory, Sir Scott Barrett
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@kiwiinmelb said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
I’m a little blown away with what a great player Scott Barrett has become.
I almost looked at him as a token selection due to the sir name when he was first selected, I got that wrong.
1000%. I always saw him as the mutant Barrett who was more of an RThorne than a B Thorn. A decent, but unspectacular squad player who could slot in at 5 and 6 if the genuine article was injured. Given his penchant for cards, his long-term future as an AB also seemed questionable. But fark me he's morphed into something pretty special.
I know this will be a very weird comparison to most but IMHO he's become the kind of player Luke Braid could have been if he'd had the size. I remember seeing him live a few times and his workrate was off the chart. It was ridiculous. SB reminds me of him but with alot more size and power. Again, probably silly comparison, but I'm just trying to highlight how good it is to have a big munter like that with such a phenomenonal engine.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel TBF, all 3 of our current locks have huge motors...and if SB's form continues, we will have to utilise one of SW & BR off the bench, which will probably assist in us getting the best out of them as thier engines probably dont run at full for quite as long as they used to.
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@Billy-Tell said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@kiwiinmelb said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
I’m a little blown away with what a great player Scott Barrett has become.
I almost looked at him as a token selection due to the sir name when he was first selected, I got that wrong.
You did. It’s surname.
As a 60 year old tradie , punctuation isn’t exactly my strong point ,
only time I write anything is when I come on here 😁 -
The thing with Scooter is that he’s had the engine for a long time - best runner of his brothers - so the work ethic and commitment was there. Just had to bring that all together and use it to his advantage out on the park.
The only concerning thing from this test was the number of instances that Scooter was a lone ranger at the breakdown. I hate to see that and does remind me of some of the McCaw days when others went a bit missing.
