All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2
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So, a nice start, something to build off
So what's the bet we throw it all out and start again with some serious rotation to get everyone game time
The joys of modern elite rugby.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
So what's the bet we throw it all out and start again with some serious rotation to get everyone game time
The joys of modern elite rugby.
I know it's never coming back, but I will always miss the days when we could name THE All Blacks at any time of year. Dowd, Fitzpatrick, Brown, I. Jones, R. Brooke... and so on out to 15...
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@Donsteppa said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
So what's the bet we throw it all out and start again with some serious rotation to get everyone game time
The joys of modern elite rugby.
I know it's never coming back, but I will always miss the days when we could name THE All Blacks at any time of year. Dowd, Fitzpatrick, Brown, I. Jones, R. Brooke... and so on out to 15...
Me too. My default position is always that elite players are rested too often
But
We are victims of our disjointed calendar. Guys can't get meaningful game time except at test level, so you need to play different guys just to stop them going off the boil.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
How is Fozzie still the coach after losing to Argentina not only for the first time but at home and now in Mendoza?
Upvote for your possession of a time machine. Downvote for getting the result wrong...
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I’d play something like:
Jordan, Stevenson, R. Ioane, J.Barrett, Leicester F, DMac, A.Smith, A. Savea, Cane (c), S. Barrett, S.Whitelock, Retallick, Lomax, Sami T, De Grott
Bench: Coles, Newell, Williams, Lord, Papali’i, Roigard, B.Barrett. A. Leinert-Brown
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Whitelock and BBBR to start with Lord on the bench. Sami T to come in. Think backline will basically stay the same but Jordan and RM may start or get serious game time.
Halfback is an issue. Ideally you'd want an easier game than the Boks to get your debut but I hope Roigard is on the bench. Christie used to be solid coming on but no more - take a bit of a risk and give the new bloke a run.
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The only change I'd make to the backline is slotting Jordan in at 14 if he's available, otherwise leave as is, backs don't need rest as much as forwards, and they also need more time together than forwards do to gel as they are running plays at high pace so it has to be instinctive. I'll be very disappointed if there's wholesale changes there - only other change I can accept is RM at 10 to see what he can do with that backline.
Please Fozzie and co. (I know you are reading as most coaches get their tactics from this forum) give these guys as much time to gel as possible before the RWC knock-out stages.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
Ideally you'd want an easier game than the Boks to get your debut
This is such Fozzie thinking. If a player is ready to be selected, then they're ready to play anybody. I can maybe understand that kind of thinking for a front rower, but especially in the backs, it can take a jump. Get him in there and stop this cotton wool nonsense.
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
Williams and Newell on the bench please.
It might be a bit too early for Newell who hasn't played a single official game this year.
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@booboo said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
long distance flight
Is that an/the issue? (Genuine question)
From Foster on Jordan's inner ear injury and migraine symptoms:
“Will has been going really well but in order to make sure he keeps tracking that way, we’ve decided to withdraw him from the long-haul trip to Argentina,” said All Blacks coach Ian Foster. “This is more of a precautionary measure that we’ve put in place with the bigger picture of 2023 in mind.”
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@No-Quarter I think you'll get Richie at 10 and Will at 14. I think if Big Leicester was going to be ready for this match and they intended to play him they would have taken him to Argentina, so seems a pretty clear signal he won't be.
Samisoni into the 23 for Coles - maybe starting, maybe on the bench - and Retallick for probably Vaa'í, but definitely starting.
Then it depends on whether Sam Whitelock is fit and available. I kind of think maybe they won't risk him even if he's fit.
Might be a debutant or two on the bench - or they might have to wait for the Aussies.
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If it was me I would only make changes on the wing. The backs looked nice and would give all those guys another week.
Backs do fuck all anyway so they can't be tiredBring thr big name locks back in to the 23. Sami T as well.
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Narawa at 14 played really well. 11 (CC) was ok but didn't have the work rate and defensive efficiency of debutant Narawa.
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@mariner4life I'd love to see someone else at fullback, preferably someone who doesn't shovel shit and set up those around him to look like numpties.
Wouldn't mind seeing Telea on the left wing since we've given up on the power wing - he probably breaks more tackles than any other wing anyway.
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Additional travelling Springbok players:
Forwards: Thomas du Toit (prop), Pieter-Steph du Toit (loose forward), Deon Fourie (utility forward), Steven Kitshoff (prop), Jean Kleyn (lock), Vincent Koch (prop) Frans Malherbe (prop), Bongi Mbonambi (hooker), Trevor Nyakane (prop), RG Snyman (lock), Marco van Staden (flank), Duane Vermeulen (No 8).
Backs: Lukhanyo Am (centre), Kurt-Lee Arendse (wing), Andre Esterhuizen (centre), Herschel Jantjies (scrumhalf), Willie le Roux (fullback), Manie Libbok (flyhalf), Cobus Reinach (scrumhalf), Damian Willemse (utility back), Grant Williams (scrumhalf).
IOL
"It was always part of our planning that some of the players who ran out in the test against Australia would travel to New Zealand, and given some impressive performances today, we decided to take a few more players than we originally planned for," Erasmus said in a statement."We now have the luxury of having a bunch of fresh players to work with in New Zealand from Monday, and they’ll be joined by a group who have experienced the physicality of Australia and who can add energy and momentum at training from Tuesday.
"We’ll analyse the match on our journey to New Zealand and then announce our team to face the All Blacks on Tuesday."
Lock Eben Etzebeth, who recently recovered from a shoulder injury, has already started training in Auckland and will lead the side against the All Blacks should he come through the week unscathed.
A host of changes are expected in the Bok side from the one that played Australia as the Boks will return to more settled combinations for the test that will surely show them exactly how far along in their World Cup preparations they are.
