All Blacks XV 2023
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV:
@Crucial then how do you explain the same player getting injured over and over? What ever the reason for them, some players just seem to get injured more than others.
I think they should take into account a player's injury history when selecting a squad for something like the World Cup. Picking someone like Blackadder for example is going to be a risk. The odds of him getting through a World Cup unscathed would be high. I would not be surprised if injury ruled him out of contention anyway.
I am thinking players can be easily replaced in the squad if injured during the cup? Is there a limit on injury replacements?
Often you find out there has been an imbalance or weakness or that they were mis-managed and coming back before complete repair. Yes, popped shoulders and such get weaker each time.
I'm talking about guys that have an unlucky run of different injuries that get called "injury prone" when it's just shit luck.
Cane was being called such last year despite previous long injury free runs and a season since of fronting up hard each week.
The medics will inform the selectors of the level of risk as will an assessment of technique. Blackadder is an example where his style combined with technique seemingly puts him at higher risk. He's an outlier though. Most that get tagged with the term are just unlucky.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV:
I am thinking players can be easily replaced in the squad if injured during the cup?
Yes, and that's exactly why they can select players like Blackadder, ALB, Cane etc. You can be sure of it that there's a whole group of players who'll be told to keep their passports ready and have their bags packed, just in case they have to jump on the plane to replace an injured player.
@Crucial said in All Blacks XV:
A player is fully fit or not. They don't get not selected because of what injures might happen
Agree 100%.
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV:
You can be sure of it that there's a whole group of players who'll be told to keep their passports ready and have their bags packed, just in case they have to jump on the plane to replace an injured player.
It usually goes bit further than that too. They are often in early squads to get the system training and are left at home with playing/training plans to be ready. I seem to recall in the past that they will train with the main squad as late as possible.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks XV:
Hasn't there also been times when players are flown closer to the squad if required to be on standby?
Not sure whether they have done that for a RWC, but I remember them calling players into the ABs squad during a Northern Tour, who were invited to play for the Barbarians the previous week(s) or maybe the Māori ABs, who were also touring. I think several of them played against Scotland.
That won't happen during the RWC, but there's no reason why they can't have a mini-training camp somewhere in France. The only thing they can't do is letting them train with the main RWC squad.
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There's been situations where players have been flown close during a RWC. Usually when there's an injury but they haven't decided if the injured player is definitely leaving the RWC squad.
They can't have contact with the squad. There's a regulation that no player can join a squad until something like 24hours after the injured player leaves. That's so teams close to the RWC venue don't have an advantage. The purpose of getting them nearby is to avoid jet lag
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@Duluth said in All Blacks XV:
They can't have contact with the squad. There's a regulation that no player can join a squad until something like 24hours after the injured player leaves. That's so teams close to the RWC venue don't have an advantage. The purpose of getting them nearby is to avoid jet lag
Yes, that's why I said they can't train with the main squad. They'd need to have different trainers/coaches there, if any at all. Use different facilities etc.
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV:
@Duluth said in All Blacks XV:
They can't have contact with the squad. There's a regulation that no player can join a squad until something like 24hours after the injured player leaves. That's so teams close to the RWC venue don't have an advantage. The purpose of getting them nearby is to avoid jet lag
Yes, that's why I said they can't train with the main squad. They'd need to have different trainers/coaches there, if any at all. Use different facilities etc.
Pretty sure that they set the plans up well in advance in case say a halfback or hooker needs to join in the week leading up. As @Duluth said, get them up there early to adjust then join asap.
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV:
@Crucial I don't see how anything I said contradicts that?
I wasn't arguing with you.
Just adding that despite a different location and being separated from the squad they are set up with the pattern book and prep plans well in advance -
@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV:
@Crucial I don't see how anything I said contradicts that?
You are so programmed to being told you are wrong on here you were confused when you couldn't see a contradiction/disagreement in @Crucial's post 😀
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Out of interest, here is the 2022 All Blacks XV squad:
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Finlay Brewis
Oli Jager - replaced by Pouri Rakete-Stones
Aidan Ross
Angus Ta’avao - replaced by Tevita Mafileo
Tamaiti WilliamsHookers
Asafo Aumua - to ABs
George Bell - replaced by Tyrone Thompson
Brodie McAlisterLocks
Josh Dickson
Zach Gallagher
Patrick Tuipulotu - CaptainLoose Forwards
Dominic Gardiner
Billy Harmon
Luke Jacobson
Christian Lio-Willie
Marino Mikaele-Tu'uHalfbacks
TJ Perenara - to ABs, replaced by Cortez Ratima
Brad Weber
Cam RoigardFirst five-eighths
Bryn Gatland - replaced by Josh Ioane
Damian McKenzieMidfielders
Levi Aumua
Bryce Heem
Alex Nankivell
Bailyn SullivanOutside backs
AJ Lam
Ruben Love
Mark Telea - to ABs, replaced by Shaun StevensonThere were a few players (Ennor, Tuivasa-Sheck, Fainga’anuku, Weber) who went from the ABs to AB XV for a game.
Tom Christie and Andrew Makalio joined the squad before the Baabaas game.
I would guess about 25% of that squad won't be involved this year due to injury, current form, or better (non-Crusaders) players available. We might see a completely new group of locks.
Where is TJP in this? Still yet to play but could be thrown a lifeline.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV:
I would guess about 25% of that squad won't be involved this year due to injury, current form, or better (non-Crusaders) players available.
Plus a few guys leaving NZ. There's not much point picking guys like MMT, Nankivell etc
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@Duluth That will depend on what Foster and co see as the purpose of this team. If it is to provide a backup pool of players for the ABs then the same rules will apply as for the departing ABs. If it is to reward the next tier of players, then I agree.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV:
@Duluth That will depend on what Foster and co see as the purpose of this team. If it is to provide a backup pool of players for the ABs then the same rules will apply as for the departing ABs. If it is to reward the next tier of players, then I agree.
IMO you want players committed to NZ Rugby 100% to win a World Cup, and that includes the backup players.Sport is such a mental game, having players that have checked out for the cash could be the difference in winning or losing.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks XV:
@Bones I meant the players commitment. Holding back to prevent injury so as not to lose a contract, for example.
Oh right...kinda like getting "injured" in super rugby for the business end so you can make a return via Ta$man...
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Japan XV v All Blacks XV
Prince Chichibu Memorial Stadium, Tokyo
Saturday, 8 July, 2023 Referee: Mike Adamson (SRU)
Assistant Referee 1: Tual Trainini (FFR)
Assistant Referee 2: Katsuki Furuse (JRFU)
TMO: Stuart Terheege (RFU)Japan v All Blacks XV
EGAO Kenko Stadium, Kumamoto
Saturday, 15 July, 2023 Referee: Tual Trainini (FFR)
Assistant Referee 1: Mike Adamson (SRU)
Assistant Referee 2: Katsuki Furuse (JRFU)
TMO: Stuart Terheege (RFU) -
how about ainsley for the front row, he's had a huge season
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@Bovidae I think there is a balance. For example, say Frizell and Akira Ioane don't make the All Blacks, as they are established backup options, you'd keep them in the loop. Someone like MMT who has never debuted though, you are better off picking say Sean Withy.
