Ashes 2023
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@Machpants said in Ashes 2023:
Expected to see a draw in the news this morning
Bazball doesn't do draws...
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England's first innings scoring rate is going to lose them as many games as it wins. The other side has so much time to get back to parity, and results are always on the table
Does make for great viewing though, but time is a weapon in test cricket.
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@MN5 said in Ashes 2023:
The better team won. I wonder if England are ruing that early declaration ? Another 30 odd runs could have made it extremely tense.
Good work Cummins, Southee, THAT is how you do it.
I think that you can go back and look at any number of moves that may have a made a difference. The declaration, I thought, was too early but then if they'd nicked a wicket or two that night it would have been a stroke of genius. The two issues that did bite us I think were that our attack was partially dependent upon two guys (Stokes and Moeen) that had not bowled much if at all in test cricket recently and were carrying fitness issues and then not taking the new ball when Lyons was the newish batsman (I refuse to say batter).
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@Catogrande said in Ashes 2023:
The two issues that did bite us I think were that our attack was partially dependent upon two guys (Stokes and Moeen) that had not bowled much if at all in test cricket recently and were carrying fitness issues and then not taking the new ball when Lyons was the newish batsman (I refuse to say batter).
Forget all that; your fielding was poor. That's what cost you.
You need a better keeper and some of the boundary fielding ... Yikes...
I go back to my earlier comment about how a year with McCullum should produce better fielding...
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@Catogrande said in Ashes 2023:
@MN5 said in Ashes 2023:
The better team won. I wonder if England are ruing that early declaration ? Another 30 odd runs could have made it extremely tense.
Good work Cummins, Southee, THAT is how you do it.
I think that you can go back and look at any number of moves that may have a made a difference. The declaration, I thought, was too early but then if they'd nicked a wicket or two that night it would have been a stroke of genius. The two issues that did bite us I think were that our attack was partially dependent upon two guys (Stokes and Moeen) that had not bowled much if at all in test cricket recently and were carrying fitness issues and then not taking the new ball when Lyons was the newish batsman (I refuse to say batter).
Same. Good man.
Bazball sure is a gamble and this one didn’t quite pay off. Roll on the second test !
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@NTA said in Ashes 2023:
@Catogrande said in Ashes 2023:
The two issues that did bite us I think were that our attack was partially dependent upon two guys (Stokes and Moeen) that had not bowled much if at all in test cricket recently and were carrying fitness issues and then not taking the new ball when Lyons was the newish batsman (I refuse to say batter).
Forget all that; your fielding was poor. That's what cost you.
You need a better keeper and some of the boundary fielding ... Yikes...
I go back to my earlier comment about how a year with McCullum should produce better fielding...
Yeah I wonder if Bairstow is for the chop ? ( as a keeper at least )
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@NTA said in Ashes 2023:
@MN5 it he's kept as a #6 who gets the chop?
The top three are a bit journeymanish overall, one of them ? Obviously Root, Brooks and Stokes are safe.
Interesting decision coming up. From what I read his keeping was pretty shit but he had an amazing year with the bat last year as we all know. Freakish form.
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Bazball creates the opportunities to get a result but the old adage always rings true - catches win matches.
England dropped catches at crucial times.
Good test match though and even on a wicket that looked a little benign. The weather certainly helped bring something.
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@NTA said in Ashes 2023:
Australia have to get some runs out of those rated blokes in 3-4 if they want victories. To win that game with a sum total of 35 runs between them.... Jeez...
Warner I've already written off
Yeah but can England keep your numbers 3-5 quiet the whole series ? Not to mention Khawaja ?
No chance.
….and I reckon Warner is due one massive score as a swan song.
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@NTA said in Ashes 2023:
@Catogrande said in Ashes 2023:
The two issues that did bite us I think were that our attack was partially dependent upon two guys (Stokes and Moeen) that had not bowled much if at all in test cricket recently and were carrying fitness issues and then not taking the new ball when Lyons was the newish batsman (I refuse to say batter).
Forget all that; your fielding was poor. That's what cost you.
You need a better keeper and some of the boundary fielding ... Yikes...
I go back to my earlier comment about how a year with McCullum should produce better fielding...
You'd think a former keeper as coach would understand the value of wicketkeeping. Poor keepers/part time keepers are enough of a risk in ODI cricket let alone The Ashes.
Wonderful game of cricket.
The anticipation of Marnus to move early and get the catch of Brooks was huge.
England did pretty well when you consider that I don’t think many of this England team would crack a combined XI
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Great win. Can't quite believe we pulled it off. I've watched the Aussie cricket team on the losing end of these sorts of matches more times than I can count, as the bowling side and the batting side.
Jeez it feels like England lost the unloseable test though. At 8/390 on the afternoon of day 1, how do you lose a four day test?
For all the thrashing about Bazball, it's just poor cricket not to escape with at least a draw from that position. Dropped catches played a part, but their second innings batting was also questionable. Root was seeing it like a watermelon and had a century (and the match) there for the taking. But he charged down wildly to Lyon and got stumped.
So now England probably have to win three of the next four games to win back the urn. They can do it, sure. But you have to ask the question, once the adrenalin wore off - you'd take a boring draw over a close loss, no? Head to Lords 0-0 with something of a moral victory under your belt?
Because while it's fun to play reckless cricket, I'd rather be 0-0 than 1-0 down.
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