Super Rugby 2024
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i think looking for a silver bullet is often how people get judged too harshly, this appointment just needs to be an improvement...and the next one will be another improvement...and long term we'll get there
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@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Nepia said in Super Rugby 2024:
Comparing rugby to NRL is apples and oranges too, but you do you too.
not when they are directly competing for the same eye balls it's not.
If i buy a ticket to watch say the Panthers v the Titans, i can be assured that, barring injury, i am watching Edwards, To'o, Cleary, Yeo, and JFH. So i will go
If i was thinking about buying a ticket to say, the Chiefs v the Crusaders, and the team was named without DMac and Finau, i'm saving my money. To me that is the difference.
Yep Mariner I see your point, you (like a fair few) a star follower perhaps and not a team one? Nothing wrong with it, so not getting at you, but that's what it is. I know in a game like rugby,I don't expect to see top (or any ) players every week, just how the game is.
I went to Canes vs Rebels where Canes made a shit load of changes, but it was still my team so I was there with bells on and loved every minute watching my team play. -
@Dan54 said in Super Rugby 2024:
@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Machpants said in Super Rugby 2024:
Finally!
Interesting to see how rests for international players get handled now
How is a new CEO going to make any difference to that? He is the CEO os board, not the coach of individual teams etc.
because previously Super was a subsidiary to SANZAAR (or whatever it's called now). If they have genuinely spun this up as a standalone entity, the directives to Super players and coaches should be going through the new entity and the new CEO.
Super was the best comp in the world for a long time - it's been a pale shadow of its former self. The question is whether Super is just a feeder for internationals, or a proper standalone competition.
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@Dan54 said in Super Rugby 2024:
you (like a fair few) a star follower perhaps and not a team one
no, not even remotely the case
but if i am forking out what they are charging for a fucking ticket to a game these days, i want to see elite talent, not reserve graders.
(as an aside, i was talking to Dad about why i just cared so little about the Chiefs now. It's because i left the Chiefs region 22 years ago. Being from BOP I fucking hate Waikato so why support a team based there? There is nothing tying me to them other than nostalgia for $10 tickets to Rugby Park including a jug at the Outback. They are not my home team, a fact that has never been hidden. So why care?)
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@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Dan54 said in Super Rugby 2024:
@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Machpants said in Super Rugby 2024:
Finally!
Interesting to see how rests for international players get handled now
How is a new CEO going to make any difference to that? He is the CEO os board, not the coach of individual teams etc.
because previously Super was a subsidiary to SANZAAR (or whatever it's called now). If they have genuinely spun this up as a standalone entity, the directives to Super players and coaches should be going through the new entity and the new CEO.
Super was the best comp in the world for a long time - it's been a pale shadow of its former self. The question is whether Super is just a feeder for internationals, or a proper standalone competition.
Only if the super teams (or SANZAAR) are going to be paying their wages mate. He is the CEO and not the master etc, and still answers to board.
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@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Dan54 said in Super Rugby 2024:
you (like a fair few) a star follower perhaps and not a team one
no, not even remotely the case
but if i am forking out what they are charging for a fucking ticket to a game these days, i want to see elite talent, not reserve graders.
(as an aside, i was talking to Dad about why i just cared so little about the Chiefs now. It's because i left the Chiefs region 22 years ago. Being from BOP I fucking hate Waikato so why support a team based there? There is nothing tying me to them other than nostalgia for $10 tickets to Rugby Park including a jug at the Outback. They are not my home team, a fact that has never been hidden. So why care?)
Yep mate as I said I understand that, but as I said no way can players play every game in rugby.
But you just confirmed what I said, you not paying for tickets if the stars aren't playing. But I not sure that Super tickets are all that pricey anyway.
I can understand your Waikato dislike etc, as a lot of teams have made alliances with teams that are traditional rivals as they are next door, and no probs with that. Hell that was one of things people said when Ta$man was formed in NPC etc.
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@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Dan54 said in Super Rugby 2024:
you (like a fair few) a star follower perhaps and not a team one
no, not even remotely the case
but if i am forking out what they are charging for a fucking ticket to a game these days, i want to see elite talent, not reserve graders.
(as an aside, i was talking to Dad about why i just cared so little about the Chiefs now. It's because i left the Chiefs region 22 years ago. Being from BOP I fucking hate Waikato so why support a team based there? There is nothing tying me to them other than nostalgia for $10 tickets to Rugby Park including a jug at the Outback. They are not my home team, a fact that has never been hidden. So why care?)
You could substitute all that for me and the Canes, but add back in the $10 tickets and jug (and sometimes t shirt) from the Outback or the Hilly for me being ok with the Chiefs.
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@Nepia So what sport or team do you support Nepia? Tickets to Canes are up to $50 at Caketin, and I interested to know what sports you follow where you still get $10 tickets and sit on hill. I used to pay $10 and sit on hill at Ballymore, but 20 odd years back, and I erant a lot less then people do nowadys.
I will add I not probably someone who goes to sprts events to drink beer anyway, but don't know any that even sell jugs etc. I see no point in drinking piss and needing to bugger off for a leak break, because I go to watch the game.
The fact is for many of us to be a sports fan is to go to games and many fimd it easier to just sit at home and watch on tv. And all power to whichever we are, me I love going to rugby, because at park I can actually see whole game and watch as much as I can with players off ball etc. Doesn't make me better, same as Mariner needing stars to pay for tickets etc, we all do it our own way. -
@Dan54 said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Nepia So what sport or team do you support Nepia? Tickets to Canes are up to $50 at Caketin, and I interested to know what sports you follow where you still get $10 tickets and sit on hill.
I will add I not probably someone who goes to sprts events to drink beer anyway, but don't know any that even sell jugs etc. I see no point in drinking piss and needing to bugger off for a leak break, because I go to watch the game.
The fact is for many of us to be a sports fan is to go to games and many fimd it easier to just sit at home and watch on tv. And all power to whichever we are, me I love going to rugby, because at park I can actually see whole game and watch as much as I can with players off ball etc. Doesn't make me better, same as Mariner needing stars to pay for tickets etc, we all do it our own way.Hmm, I think you completely misread that.
@mariner4life and I aren't discussing any current prices, we're discussing going to games as uni students in the 90s.
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@Nepia said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Dan54 said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Nepia So what sport or team do you support Nepia? Tickets to Canes are up to $50 at Caketin, and I interested to know what sports you follow where you still get $10 tickets and sit on hill.
I will add I not probably someone who goes to sprts events to drink beer anyway, but don't know any that even sell jugs etc. I see no point in drinking piss and needing to bugger off for a leak break, because I go to watch the game.
The fact is for many of us to be a sports fan is to go to games and many fimd it easier to just sit at home and watch on tv. And all power to whichever we are, me I love going to rugby, because at park I can actually see whole game and watch as much as I can with players off ball etc. Doesn't make me better, same as Mariner needing stars to pay for tickets etc, we all do it our own way.Hmm, I think you completely misread that.
@mariner4life and I aren't discussing any current prices, we're discussing going to games as uni students in the 90s.
Ok, I thought Mariner was going crook about prices of tickets etc, so apologies this is where confusion came in for me. Didn't mention Skarvies in the 90s.
(but if i am forking out what they are charging for a fucking ticket to a game these days, i want to see elite talent, not reserve graders.)
But out of interest, Mariner doesn't follow Chiefs as he has lived in Aus for a long time etc, and you said you go along but chnge it to Canes, so again apologies ,I not sure what you meant.
Out of interest I lived in Aus for 24 years but funnily enough remained a rusted on Canes fan for whole time, (even though I not from Wellington) they were my team when Super started and being a boring bastard they always will be. -
@Dan54 said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Nepia said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Dan54 said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Nepia So what sport or team do you support Nepia? Tickets to Canes are up to $50 at Caketin, and I interested to know what sports you follow where you still get $10 tickets and sit on hill.
I will add I not probably someone who goes to sprts events to drink beer anyway, but don't know any that even sell jugs etc. I see no point in drinking piss and needing to bugger off for a leak break, because I go to watch the game.
The fact is for many of us to be a sports fan is to go to games and many fimd it easier to just sit at home and watch on tv. And all power to whichever we are, me I love going to rugby, because at park I can actually see whole game and watch as much as I can with players off ball etc. Doesn't make me better, same as Mariner needing stars to pay for tickets etc, we all do it our own way.Hmm, I think you completely misread that.
@mariner4life and I aren't discussing any current prices, we're discussing going to games as uni students in the 90s.
Ok, I thought Mariner was going crook about prices of tickets etc, so apologies this is where confusion came in for me. Didn't mention Skarvies in the 90s.
(but if i am forking out what they are charging for a fucking ticket to a game these days, i want to see elite talent, not reserve graders.)
But out of interest, Mariner doesn't follow Chiefs as he has lived in Aus for a long time etc, and you said you go along but chnge it to Canes, so again apologies ,I not sure what you meant.
Out of interest I lived in Aus for 24 years but funnily enough remained a rusted on Canes fan for whole time, (even though I not from Wellington) they were my team when Super started and being a boring bastard they always will be.I do think tickets are overpriced, but I go to games in Sydney, I'll usually go to Chiefs, Blues and Canes (because my mates follow them) when they're here.
I was relating to mariners story because I feel the same about the Canes who are supposedly my home team. But, I was at Waikato when Super started so had similar uni/pub/rugby experiences that mariner had.
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@Bovidae said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Nepia said in Super Rugby 2024:
Aren't they player union driven, in both NZ and Oz
Yes, the NZRPA is behind the rest weeks and minimum number of weeks off during Dec/Jan/Feb.
@Bovidae said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Nepia said in Super Rugby 2024:
Aren't they player union driven, in both NZ and Oz
Yes, the NZRPA is behind the rest weeks and minimum number of weeks off during Dec/Jan/Feb.
@Bovidae said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Nepia said in Super Rugby 2024:
Aren't they player union driven, in both NZ and Oz
Yes, the NZRPA is behind the rest weeks and minimum number of weeks off during Dec/Jan/Feb.
Funny how Super Rugby used to stretch longer and consist of 18 regular games before playoffs during the early 2010's and we coped just fine. Now players from Aus/NZ go to Europe and (instead of the dearth of rugby they are usually exposed to) have to adapt to be playing week and after week in a proper length season and their improvement as players will be subsequently accelerated, they will be developing at a much faster rate compared to when they were sitting twiddling their thumbs as a fringe player back in NZ playing like a combined total of 10 games of Super & NPC per year. The Australian players even less with no NRC.
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@Dan54 said in Super Rugby 2024:
@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Nepia said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Winger said in Super Rugby 2024:
@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Machpants said in Super Rugby 2024:
Finally!
Interesting to see how rests for international players get handled now
Agree. Super rugby has, in my view, huge potential. But not if it continues to be subservient to test rugby. This must be kicked into touch in some way
I just hope they have found someone great. Not just OK as they couldn't find someone who was super-duper.
TBH, you've got league if you want club/franchise to dominate rather than tests.
Also, that face and added to his "marketing" background has me already feeling nervous.
I'm already resigned to this being a fizzer of an appointment. Does anyone know what ground-breaking implementations he was responsible for at Canterbury or the A-League? Have either of them substantially increased revenue or market share? Any fundamental changes to competition structures resulting in tangible benefits?
You sound a real joy and a positive person , looking to be negative about someone don't seem to know anything about.
Gotta love forums don't ya?Thanks Mr Awesome Supporter of All Things Rugby, but I did lay out my concerns that we'd managed to land someone none of us were aware of before and questionable achievements. Certainly no one appears to be saying "fuck yes" do they? But thanks again for your input.
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Radio veteran demands sacking of âdim-wittedâ football great
âIâm embarrassed to be in the same camp as him.â
Wow, this says it all with no holds barred!
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@Nepia Mate that's the problem of becoming an Aussie, you have to pay their prices
. But genuinely I didn't realise that prices for game were high in Sydney, guess because I don't have to worry about them, and subsequently don't care. But having a quick look online they seem to be about $65 for platinum which doesn't seem over the top to me. I admit to not really following other sorts , so don't know their prices anyway. But as you say would be nice if we could all pay price we did in the 90s for tickets on a hill etc (though no good for me. I like proper seat at my age) -
@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Dan54 said in Super Rugby 2024:
@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Nepia said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Winger said in Super Rugby 2024:
@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Machpants said in Super Rugby 2024:
Finally!
Interesting to see how rests for international players get handled now
Agree. Super rugby has, in my view, huge potential. But not if it continues to be subservient to test rugby. This must be kicked into touch in some way
I just hope they have found someone great. Not just OK as they couldn't find someone who was super-duper.
TBH, you've got league if you want club/franchise to dominate rather than tests.
Also, that face and added to his "marketing" background has me already feeling nervous.
I'm already resigned to this being a fizzer of an appointment. Does anyone know what ground-breaking implementations he was responsible for at Canterbury or the A-League? Have either of them substantially increased revenue or market share? Any fundamental changes to competition structures resulting in tangible benefits?
You sound a real joy and a positive person , looking to be negative about someone don't seem to know anything about.
Gotta love forums don't ya?Thanks Mr Awesome Supporter of All Things Rugby, but I did lay out my concerns that we'd managed to land someone none of us were aware of before and questionable achievements. Certainly no one appears to be saying "fuck yes" do they? But thanks again for your input.
Mate I may support rugby, but where as you see a new appointment and think the best thing to do is say it's a fizzer etc. As I say you must be a joy to be around, and for me it's not just rugby, I genuinely always do look on positive side and don't rubbish someone new I don't know until I have seen his work. But good on you keep your glass half empty!
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@Higgins said in Super Rugby 2024:
Radio veteran demands sacking of âdim-wittedâ football great
âIâm embarrassed to be in the same camp as him.â
Wow, this says it all with no holds barred!
I saw read that, but he obviously not too worried about having the same employer, or he can fix that himself surely? A letter of resignation would take care of who employs them both
(âI donât know how this bloke has continued to be employed by the network that employs me,â Hadley said.
âThatâs a decision for people who are on a higher post than me.)
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Anyone that missed the Reds vs Blues game last night would have missed out on one of the most impressive debuts at Super level ever. Tim Ryan aka 'the Junkyard Dog' had an absolute blinder.
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In all probability, six wins is going to be the mark to be assured of the finals. By that measure, the Canes, Blues, Brumbies and Chiefs are all already home and hosed.
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The Rebels currently sit on five wins, but have one of, if not the toughest run home. Blues and Chiefs at home, and Reds, Brumbies and Drua away. Feasible they could still miss out.
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Reds are currently on four wins, but have played much better rugby than that, with the Force, Waratahs and Rebels still to play, they should get at least six wins (Drua and Crusaders away the other two fixtures)
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Drua are also on four wins, but are far more interesting due to their inability to win away from home. For that reason, to get to six wins, they'd need to beat both the Reds and Rebels at home to get to six... admittedly quite doable, but certainly little margin for error if they can't win away (Brumbies, Force and Highlanders)
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Despite being straight-up rubbish of late, the Highlanders hold eighth with three wins to their name. Assuming they beat the Drua at home, they need to win 2/4 of their remaining fixtures (Moana, Blues and Canes away, Crusaders at home) so in other words, they need to beat Moana and the Crusaders to get to six wins.
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Moana are also on three wins. With games against the Chiefs and Canes likely losses, that leaves them needing to beat the Highlanders (in Tonga) and Waratahs at home, and the Crusaders away. Certainly not impossible, although unlikely.
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Crusaders are on two wins, so need to win four out of: Reds, Blues and Moana (Home) and Brumbies and Highlanders (Away). Not inconceivable, but to beat the Blues and Brumbies is an uphill battle in the context.
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Waratahs are on two wins, both against the Crusaders, but crucially have a decent run home. They're away to the Hurricanes this week, but then finish off with Brumbies (H), Force (A), Moana (A), Reds (H). If they can take the Brumbies at home, they might just get enough momentum to win all four of those.
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Force are on two wins, with their only saving grace being that they have 3/5 of their remaining games in Perth. They should lose to the Chiefs this week, however they'll back themselves against the Drua and Tahs (H). Would have them on four wins with Reds (A) and Brumbies (H) remaining.
That being said, I think the Rebels don't win another game (5 Wins), Reds win three (7 Wins), Drua get one win (5 Wins), Highlanders get two wins (5 Wins), Moana don't win another game (3 Wins), Crusaders get three wins (5 Wins), Waratahs get 3 wins (5 Wins), Force get 2 wins (4 Wins)... this is if I have done my maths right.
Would leave the Reds a clear 5th, and with five teams from 6-10th all on five wins, sending it to BPs, which probably sees the Rebels 6th, Crusaders 7th and Highlanders 8th.
Highlanders next two games though are massive in the context of the whole playoff race. If they win both, Moana and the Crusaders almost certainly out of it. If they lose both, they're out of it, and the final round-robin match between Moana and the Crusaders could be like a Round of 16 game (even though it is a 12-team comp lol)
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