Blues v Moana Pasifika
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@Steven-Harris said in Blues v Moana Pasifika:
@Kirwan a great scrum is when it’s 8 on 8 not when one team is 2 forwards down and a back packing on the side scrum .
Humility is something I respect about many of the best players who have worn the black jersey over the years .
No question his comments were designed to rile some of the MP players up and it obviously worked .
But when you’ve just got out of jail by the seat of pants , a little humility goes a long wayLike I said earlier, you’re building this mountain out of molehill because you don’t like RI. That’s fine, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I’m also going to mock you for being pretty silly about something you are not really sure about if you be honest for a moment.
Bonus points for taking MY comments about the scrum seriously. Bravo.
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@MajorRage said in Blues v Moana Pasifika:
Really enjoyed this game. First half you could tell Blues were the stronger team, but then it all evened up.
Nothing controversial about the last minute penalty try. Clear & obvious.
Yep, isn’t this exactly what people want to see?
Well done for the Blues not losing with their B Team, unlike some other teams…
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@African-Monkey said in Blues v Moana Pasifika:
@Steven-Harris said in Blues v Moana Pasifika:
@Kirwan you clearly see him shooting his mouth off to one of the MP players he made sure to come in close make sure all the players could hear what he had to say , had it confirmed from a contact at the ground
Doesn’t surprise me he’s got historyThey seem fine on social media lol (the Blues and Moana players). Think it was nothing more than friendly fire, which is great, as there will be plenty to play for next time.
Great to see a close local derby go to the wire and the Blues knew how lucky they were to get out of it. Great for the competition too.
Yeah but if that was an Aussie doing it we’d all be saying what a cock he is.
Both Ioane’s have struggled at times finding the balance in banter and niggle. Seem to pick the wrong moment and situations.
Someone mentioned a win for good forward play so why does an outside back have to chip some verbals?
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@Crucial said in Blues v Moana Pasifika:
He should have been embarrassed that a game between a top of the table team and the wooden spooners was so close.
The perfect time to show some humility and class
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@KiwiMurph said in Blues v Moana Pasifika:
Need more tribalism in the comp and then complain when there's chat in a cross city fixture that goes down to the wire.
Rieko is a villain.
Good - the comp would be far better off with more villains and more feeling between teams.
Exactly right, and there will be plenty on the line when they play each other next time no matter where they're sitting on the table which is what we want.
@Crucial Yes I know what you're saying too and completely understand where you're coming from, but hey, there was clearly a bit of needle between the players during the week and the reaction shown by Ioane and Papalii clearly showed how much the win meant, even if it was an appalling display and probably the worst they've played in a long time.
Hope to see more of it between sides going forward.
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@Crucial said in Blues v Moana Pasifika:
@African-Monkey said in Blues v Moana Pasifika:
@Steven-Harris said in Blues v Moana Pasifika:
@Kirwan you clearly see him shooting his mouth off to one of the MP players he made sure to come in close make sure all the players could hear what he had to say , had it confirmed from a contact at the ground
Doesn’t surprise me he’s got historyThey seem fine on social media lol (the Blues and Moana players). Think it was nothing more than friendly fire, which is great, as there will be plenty to play for next time.
Great to see a close local derby go to the wire and the Blues knew how lucky they were to get out of it. Great for the competition too.
Yeah but if that was an Aussie doing it we’d all be saying what a cock he is.
Both Ioane’s have struggled at times finding the balance in banter and niggle. Seem to pick the wrong moment and situations.
Someone mentioned a win for good forward play so why does an outside back have to chip some verbals?
He should have been embarrassed that a game between a top of the table team and the wooden spooners was so close.Top of the table playing their B Squad, and still winning. It’s actually a great sign for the team that they can find a way to win when playing poorly.
We know a bit more about some players now, like who is the backup halfback and hooker. Akira had an awesome game, which will be important for the coming weeks.
As for the RI bullshit, he came in running into celebrate a close win with his captain and forwards. Perfectly normal behaviour.
Nobody on here knows if he caught some verbals and was responding, just a lot of projection IMO from posters with a track record of moaning about the Ioanes. Tiresome.
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@Kirwan smoke/fire?
We can only judge what we see and that instantly appeared to be RI “rubbing in” a victory unnecessarily.
Maybe it wasn’t, but it certainly looked that way and what happened straight after backs that up.
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@Steven-Harris said in Blues v Moana Pasifika:
@Crucial said in Blues v Moana Pasifika:
He should have been embarrassed that a game between a top of the table team and the wooden spooners was so close.
The perfect time to show some humility and class
Geez I not sure if some of you fellas on here can't remember at times in games and getting frutrated as f*** because everything turns to shit? I know you shouldn't do it , but sometimes if you get into that situation, and perhaps had maybe heard a verbal or something you do say something not really called for, it's actually called being human and we can regret it quietly later.
Actually one of best I heard was after a club game years back, team I managed had lost right in full time. The opposing captain in our clubrooms making his aftermatch speech, thanked our player who had told him to look at scoreboard as last scrum went down, he said "I did looked at scoreboard, saw we were down so scored the a try"!!! Even I had a chuckle and he said later to me he knew he shouldn't of said it, but after copping a bit you sometimes got to just do/say something!
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@Crucial said in Blues v Moana Pasifika:
@Kirwan smoke/fire?
We can only judge what we see and that instantly appeared to be RI “rubbing in” a victory unnecessarily.
Maybe it wasn’t, but it certainly looked that way and what happened straight after backs that up.
Just wasn’t classy.Like I said, projection. You don't like him, so when you see him celebrate a win you see "not classy"
Anything else you two are heaping on him is just fantasy land, and a bit weird.
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@Kirwan said in Blues v Moana Pasifika:
@Crucial said in Blues v Moana Pasifika:
@Kirwan smoke/fire?
We can only judge what we see and that instantly appeared to be RI “rubbing in” a victory unnecessarily.
Maybe it wasn’t, but it certainly looked that way and what happened straight after backs that up.
Just wasn’t classy.Like I said, projection. You don't like him, so when you see him celebrate a win you see "not classy"
Anything else you two are heaping on him is just fantasy land, and a bit weird.
Who says I 'don't like him'?
I am simply commenting on something as it appeared to me and supporting other's comments that he seems to do stuff like this more than just as a 'one off'.
Accusing people of projecting, being in fantasy land or judging players through dislike is the tiresome part.
No one is suggesting that what he did should be punished or that he's a bad person or player. Just pointing out a personality trait that seems to appear occasionally and, in some eyes, isn't a great look.
If anything, certain posters here get extremely defensive about the Ioane bros to the point where any warranted criticism is shouted down with weird accusations.
You are a fan of them. Understood. I also like their playing abilities, but unlike you, will also point out their flaws. -
@Crucial said in Blues v Moana Pasifika:
@Kirwan said in Blues v Moana Pasifika:
@Crucial said in Blues v Moana Pasifika:
@Kirwan smoke/fire?
We can only judge what we see and that instantly appeared to be RI “rubbing in” a victory unnecessarily.
Maybe it wasn’t, but it certainly looked that way and what happened straight after backs that up.
Just wasn’t classy.Like I said, projection. You don't like him, so when you see him celebrate a win you see "not classy"
Anything else you two are heaping on him is just fantasy land, and a bit weird.
Who says I 'don't like him'?
I am simply commenting on something as it appeared to me and supporting other's comments that he seems to do stuff like this more than just as a 'one off'.
Accusing people of projecting, being in fantasy land or judging players through dislike is the tiresome part.
No one is suggesting that what he did should be punished or that he's a bad person or player. Just pointing out a personality trait that seems to appear occasionally and, in some eyes, isn't a great look.
If anything, certain posters here get extremely defensive about the Ioane bros to the point where any warranted criticism is shouted down with weird accusations.
You are a fan of them. Understood. I also like their playing abilities, but unlike you, will also point out their flaws.You can deny it all you like, but celebrating after a win and running over to his forwards is such completely normal behavior. Everything that happened after that is speculation.
You, and plenty of others, have a pattern of posts that hold him, and his brother, to a different standard than other players. I don't see the same bizarre posts that these guys get for players like Brodie and Coles, who regular rub players on the head and start fights.
Getting a tiny amount of push back from a silly bias you have isn't someone being defensive either, it's just someone getting tired of your bullshit.
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@Kirwan said in Blues v Moana Pasifika:
@Crucial said in Blues v Moana Pasifika:
@Kirwan said in Blues v Moana Pasifika:
@Crucial said in Blues v Moana Pasifika:
@Kirwan smoke/fire?
We can only judge what we see and that instantly appeared to be RI “rubbing in” a victory unnecessarily.
Maybe it wasn’t, but it certainly looked that way and what happened straight after backs that up.
Just wasn’t classy.Like I said, projection. You don't like him, so when you see him celebrate a win you see "not classy"
Anything else you two are heaping on him is just fantasy land, and a bit weird.
Who says I 'don't like him'?
I am simply commenting on something as it appeared to me and supporting other's comments that he seems to do stuff like this more than just as a 'one off'.
Accusing people of projecting, being in fantasy land or judging players through dislike is the tiresome part.
No one is suggesting that what he did should be punished or that he's a bad person or player. Just pointing out a personality trait that seems to appear occasionally and, in some eyes, isn't a great look.
If anything, certain posters here get extremely defensive about the Ioane bros to the point where any warranted criticism is shouted down with weird accusations.
You are a fan of them. Understood. I also like their playing abilities, but unlike you, will also point out their flaws.You can deny it all you like, but celebrating after a win and running over to his forwards is such completely normal behavior. Everything that happened after that is speculation.
I have said I was commenting on how it appeared to those with both eyes open. For me it wasn't after watching again or even noticing who the player even was. When watching the game I thought 'that was a bit odd, rubbing in a last minute win with some verbals, enough to fire up a response. You can't deny that something was obviously said that triggered some push and shove. I just thought it was unwarranted and unbecoming. My opinion.
You, and plenty of others, have a pattern of posts that hold him, and his brother, to a different standard than other players. I don't see the same bizarre posts that these guys get for players like Brodie and Coles, who regular rub players on the head and start fights.
Didn't I quite clearly state that I see nothing wrong with a bit of verbals and niggle? Just that the moment needs to be right and this wasn't. It came across as gloating (and for a Blues v MP game, embarrassing).
Getting a tiny amount of push back from a silly bias you have isn't someone being defensive either, it's just someone getting tired of your bullshit.
Thanks for declaring my opinion as bullshit and the accusation of bias (again).
'Tiny amount of pushback'? How funny. You put the walls up instantly as it played out and have attacked anyone that has commented with unfounded accusations.Let's leave it there. Obviously no point making any negative comment about the Ioane's on this board.
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"I have said I was commenting on how it appeared to those with both eyes open. For me it wasn't after watching again or even noticing who the player even was. When watching the game I thought 'that was a bit odd, rubbing in a last minute win with some verbals, enough to fire up a response. You can't deny that something was obviously said that triggered some push and shove. I just thought it was unwarranted and unbecoming. My opinion."
That only happened in your mind, I just watched it and that didn't happen.
I look forward to you holding the Chiefs players to this standard the next time they celebrate a win.
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@Kirwan said in Blues v Moana Pasifika:
I look forward to you holding the Chiefs players to this standard the next time they celebrate a win.
Cool. Next time ALB runs in from the backline and sets off a post match squabble after a penalty try against a six forward scrum I will do just that.
@Kirwan said in Blues v Moana Pasifika:
That only happened in your mind, I just watched it and that didn't happen.
just watched again as well. He runs in, congratulates Dalton then looks directly at the MP players and says something. I obviously don't know what he said but it set off what happened. Maybe it was someone else saying/doing something else but we can only comment on what it appears like which is what we have done.
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@Crucial said in Blues v Moana Pasifika:
@Kirwan said in Blues v Moana Pasifika:
I look forward to you holding the Chiefs players to this standard the next time they celebrate a win.
Cool. Next time ALB runs in from the backline and sets off a post match squabble after a penalty try against a six forward scrum I will do just that.
@Kirwan said in Blues v Moana Pasifika:
That only happened in your mind, I just watched it and that didn't happen.
just watched again as well. He runs in, congratulates Dalton then looks directly at the MP players and says something. I obviously don't know what he said but it set off what happened. Maybe it was someone else saying/doing something else but we can only comment on what it appears like which is what we have done.
Again, that's not what happened. It's what you want to have happened.
If you watch the footage with both eyes open, putting your petty bias to one side, you'll actually see hes the one de-escalating whatever happened.
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Argh that was a messy old game. Dont think any Blues really covered themselves in glory and were lucky to get out of that with the W. The game was more notable and interesting for me for the players that were missing rather than the players on the field.
Think it puts into context how difficult and how much the Drua game in Lautoka took out of the players the week before, especially given how the Canes & Saders fared in Fiji.
Just want to say that Choat had an outstanding game v Drua (as did BB who went ok too, made good decisions). Choat in particular was sorely missed for this MP game. I know there are others in front of him in the pecking order, but jeez his work ethic and accuracy in the tackle is second to none. -
@Kirwan said in Blues v Moana Pasifika:
I just watched the end again, and he's laughing and trying to break things up FFS. Darry and Sullivan are in the thick whatever the fallout is, which is probably just MP players disappointment.
Such a weird take on RI a couple of posters have on this.
I have to admit Kirwan, that's what I saw, didn't actually see him giving anyone lips or anything, I may have to watch again........Na it's not that important.
