Rugby World Cup general discussion
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@kiwiinmelb said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
The deliberate match fixing is nonsense,
But I guess what is possible, Scotland throw the kitchen sink knowing if they lose they are going home ,
And Ireland go in knowing they have done enough to qualify win, lose or draw
And from those mindsets , stranger things have happened than an upset of these proportions.
Still unlikely though imo
5th ranked team vs 1st.
It’s not out of the question for them to knock them over.
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The Boks and NZ could I imagine not be focussed on a game and already be thinking a game ahead and get a nasty shock, but this Ireland team? They seem too disciplined. Prove me wrong, Scotland!
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Based on form you'd have to go with Ireland, they know they need at least a point and they've demonstrated the capacity to maintain standards. Only this year securing the 6N grand slam.
Like everyone else, the issue is can they do it for five games in a row? Even in the 6N they had Italy half way through and only won by two tries.
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So the weekends games that impact finals
France v Italy. France by a fair bit
Ireland v Scotland. Ireland by a fair bit
Argentina v Japan. ArgentinaI just can't see an upset anywhere.
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We would need something pretty sensational to happen this week to elevate this Group stage above "meh"
With the top 4 sides in two pool, AND the same side of the draw, we were treated to big games with nothing significant riding on the result.
On the other side we've had the Wallabies absolutely shit the bed, otherwise it's been very ho hum.Couple of pretty fun games of footy, but in the end a set of quarter finals that end up being very predictable.
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@mariner4life said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
We would need something pretty sensational to happen this week to elevate this Group stage above "meh"
With the top 4 sides in two pool, AND the same side of the draw, we were treated to big games with nothing significant riding on the result.
On the other side we've had the Wallabies absolutely shit the bed, otherwise it's been very ho hum.Couple of pretty fun games of footy, but in the end a set of quarter finals that end up being very predictable.
The knockout stages of the RWC are very much like an historical account of the sinking of the Titanic, more often than not written from the perspective of the usual protagonists but every once in a while written from the perspective of a minor character who just happened to be on board
The narrative that one side of the draw is severely compromised whilst the other half is sipping pastis on the Côte d’Azur is getting tiresome
If Scotland were that good they would have made the QF in 2019 and come away with at least 1 try against SA this time
2019 RWC QF
England v Australia
NZ v Ireland
Wales v France
Japan v SAThis time it should be
England v Fiji
NZ v Ireland
Wales v Argentina / Japan
France v SASo 6 of the 2019 Quarter Finalists, if not 7 (if Japan beat Argentina)
The Pool stages have been fascinating IMHO
Permutations galore
And it isn’t finished yetBest RWC to this stage for me
And we could end up with same 4 Semi Finalists as 2019 or a big shake up and four different ones, including first SF for Fiji and Japan
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Hard disagree on nearly every point
Stage also not helped by games only on weekends and fucking byes dragging everything out.
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@mariner4life said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
So the weekends games that impact finals
France v Italy. France by a fair bit
Ireland v Scotland. Ireland by a fair bit
Argentina v Japan. ArgentinaI just can't see an upset anywhere.
Yeah. Us v Uruguay ...
Whilst it should be a foregone conclusion, BP win is required so we can relax...
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@MiketheSnow said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@mariner4life said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
We would need something pretty sensational to happen this week to elevate this Group stage above "meh"
With the top 4 sides in two pool, AND the same side of the draw, we were treated to big games with nothing significant riding on the result.
On the other side we've had the Wallabies absolutely shit the bed, otherwise it's been very ho hum.Couple of pretty fun games of footy, but in the end a set of quarter finals that end up being very predictable.
The knockout stages of the RWC are very much like an historical account of the sinking of the Titanic, more often than not written from the perspective of the usual protagonists but every once in a while written from the perspective of a minor character who just happened to be on board
The narrative that one side of the draw is severely compromised whilst the other half is sipping pastis on the Côte d’Azur is getting tiresome
If Scotland were that good they would have made the QF in 2019 and come away with at least 1 try against SA this time
2019 RWC QF
England v Australia
NZ v Ireland
Wales v France
Japan v SAThis time it should be
England v Fiji
NZ v Ireland
Wales v Argentina / Japan
France v SASo 6 of the 2019 Quarter Finalists, if not 7 (if Japan beat Argentina)
The Pool stages have been fascinating IMHO
Permutations galore
And it isn’t finished yetBest RWC to this stage for me
And we could end up with same 4 Semi Finalists as 2019 or a big shake up and four different ones, including first SF for Fiji and Japan
No it’s not.
1st, 2nd and 5th in the same pool is ridiculous.
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@mariner4life said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
Hard disagree on nearly every point
Stage also not helped by games only on weekends and fucking byes dragging everything out.
The All Blacks are playing on Friday
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@MN5 said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@mariner4life said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
Hard disagree on nearly every point
Stage also not helped by games only on weekends and fucking byes dragging everything out.
The All Blacks are playing on Friday
Thursday local time
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@booboo said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@MN5 said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@mariner4life said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
Hard disagree on nearly every point
Stage also not helped by games only on weekends and fucking byes dragging everything out.
The All Blacks are playing on Friday
Thursday local time
Yes
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@MN5 said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@MiketheSnow said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@mariner4life said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
We would need something pretty sensational to happen this week to elevate this Group stage above "meh"
With the top 4 sides in two pool, AND the same side of the draw, we were treated to big games with nothing significant riding on the result.
On the other side we've had the Wallabies absolutely shit the bed, otherwise it's been very ho hum.Couple of pretty fun games of footy, but in the end a set of quarter finals that end up being very predictable.
The knockout stages of the RWC are very much like an historical account of the sinking of the Titanic, more often than not written from the perspective of the usual protagonists but every once in a while written from the perspective of a minor character who just happened to be on board
The narrative that one side of the draw is severely compromised whilst the other half is sipping pastis on the Côte d’Azur is getting tiresome
If Scotland were that good they would have made the QF in 2019 and come away with at least 1 try against SA this time
2019 RWC QF
England v Australia
NZ v Ireland
Wales v France
Japan v SAThis time it should be
England v Fiji
NZ v Ireland
Wales v Argentina / Japan
France v SASo 6 of the 2019 Quarter Finalists, if not 7 (if Japan beat Argentina)
The Pool stages have been fascinating IMHO
Permutations galore
And it isn’t finished yetBest RWC to this stage for me
And we could end up with same 4 Semi Finalists as 2019 or a big shake up and four different ones, including first SF for Fiji and Japan
No it’s not.
1st, 2nd and 5th in the same pool is ridiculous.
When Scotland get pumped by Ireland the realisation will finally sink in that places 5-10 are very interchangeable on any given day
And if Ireland and SA meet again in the Final, then having 1 & 2 in the same Pool is a good way to see them play each other for the Cup
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@MN5 said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@MiketheSnow said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@mariner4life said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
We would need something pretty sensational to happen this week to elevate this Group stage above "meh"
With the top 4 sides in two pool, AND the same side of the draw, we were treated to big games with nothing significant riding on the result.
On the other side we've had the Wallabies absolutely shit the bed, otherwise it's been very ho hum.Couple of pretty fun games of footy, but in the end a set of quarter finals that end up being very predictable.
The knockout stages of the RWC are very much like an historical account of the sinking of the Titanic, more often than not written from the perspective of the usual protagonists but every once in a while written from the perspective of a minor character who just happened to be on board
The narrative that one side of the draw is severely compromised whilst the other half is sipping pastis on the Côte d’Azur is getting tiresome
If Scotland were that good they would have made the QF in 2019 and come away with at least 1 try against SA this time
2019 RWC QF
England v Australia
NZ v Ireland
Wales v France
Japan v SAThis time it should be
England v Fiji
NZ v Ireland
Wales v Argentina / Japan
France v SASo 6 of the 2019 Quarter Finalists, if not 7 (if Japan beat Argentina)
The Pool stages have been fascinating IMHO
Permutations galore
And it isn’t finished yetBest RWC to this stage for me
And we could end up with same 4 Semi Finalists as 2019 or a big shake up and four different ones, including first SF for Fiji and Japan
No it’s not.
1st, 2nd and 5th in the same pool is ridiculous.
It's not ridiculous but it is unfortunate. The organisers have to balance trying to have some form of up to date seedings in the groups with the logistics of where the different teams will play, where they will be based and the planning of who each team will be playing. Doing it too far in advance and you have the potential for the current situation, do it too near the event and you have the potential for chaos. FWIW I don't think they have got it quite right but also feel that whatever they do there will be some issues.
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@mariner4life said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
We would need something pretty sensational to happen this week to elevate this Group stage above "meh"
With the top 4 sides in two pool, AND the same side of the draw, we were treated to big games with nothing significant riding on the result.
On the other side we've had the Wallabies absolutely shit the bed, otherwise it's been very ho hum.Couple of pretty fun games of footy, but in the end a set of quarter finals that end up being very predictable.
My main memories will be
Ire vs SA
Fiji vs Wales
Any of Portugal’s gamesThe rest. Meh.
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@Billy-Tell said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@mariner4life said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
We would need something pretty sensational to happen this week to elevate this Group stage above "meh"
With the top 4 sides in two pool, AND the same side of the draw, we were treated to big games with nothing significant riding on the result.
On the other side we've had the Wallabies absolutely shit the bed, otherwise it's been very ho hum.Couple of pretty fun games of footy, but in the end a set of quarter finals that end up being very predictable.
My main memories will be
Ire vs SA
Fiji vs Wales
Any of Portugal’s gamesThe rest. Meh.
Sheesh you guys are tough markers.
The bye weeks/lack of midweek games have dragged things out. But that was a legitimate response to a real concern. It probably helped the minnows’ squads hold out and improved their collective showing.
But apart from that this has been a solid competition.
Opener was pretty good. Then the English Argie game was a fascinating hobo fight, one old dypso suddenly remembering that jabs are a thing and keeping his balance long enough to land a few. The good guys putting the Scots back in their box. And especially Fiji rooting the Welsh. Not sure there’s been a better first weekend.
Second weekend was a bit average but we still got Fiji rooting Eddie’s snatch grabbers.
Then we had the Irish winning their final and the Welsh dumping the Walleddies out the comp.
And in the background there have been two cool subplots - tier two teams playing their hearts out while also using their heads; and 3rd ranked teams like the Scots, Japanese, Italians and Wobblies trying to stay in touch.
That first subplot has seen Chile, Uruguay and Portugal using guile and skill to exploit space backed by smart defence. The islanders on the other hand have jacked up their first phase and tactical games.
That’s seen them all keep games in the balance a lot longer than we’ve seen in other RWCs. It also has Fiji through to the quarters having got revenge for the travesty of their 2019 opener against those jammy shackledraggers. As a side note, the real victim of the early (probably rigged) seeding is Tonga. Put them in Pool D and I reckon they’d have been a solid chance of making the QFs. Given their admin issues they should hold their heads high.
The second subplot has delivered a final round with real meaning to some big games, with 3 pools riding on the results of the games. Japan Argies could be a banger. The Italians have a chance to upset the apple cart and the Scots have their destiny (and the Boks’) in their own hands.
Upset in any one of those games and this comp really comes alive. Unless it’s an upset that dumps the boks out. Then this RWC will be shit.
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@Smuts said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@Billy-Tell said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@mariner4life said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
We would need something pretty sensational to happen this week to elevate this Group stage above "meh"
With the top 4 sides in two pool, AND the same side of the draw, we were treated to big games with nothing significant riding on the result.
On the other side we've had the Wallabies absolutely shit the bed, otherwise it's been very ho hum.Couple of pretty fun games of footy, but in the end a set of quarter finals that end up being very predictable.
My main memories will be
Ire vs SA
Fiji vs Wales
Any of Portugal’s gamesThe rest. Meh.
Sheesh you guys are tough markers.
The bye weeks/lack of midweek games have dragged things out. But that was a legitimate response to a real concern. It probably helped the minnows’ squads hold out and improved their collective showing.
But apart from that this has been a solid competition.
Opener was pretty good. Then the English Argie game was a fascinating hobo fight, one old dypso suddenly remembering that jabs are a thing and keeping his balance long enough to land a few. The good guys putting the Scots back in their box. And especially Fiji rooting the Welsh. Not sure there’s been a better first weekend.
Second weekend was a bit average but we still got Fiji rooting Eddie’s snatch grabbers.
Then we had the Irish winning their final and the Welsh dumping the Walleddies out the comp.
And in the background there have been two cool subplots - tier two teams playing their hearts out while also using their heads; and 3rd ranked teams like the Scots, Japanese, Italians and Wobblies trying to stay in touch.
That first subplot has seen Chile, Uruguay and Portugal using guile and skill to exploit space backed by smart defence. The islanders on the other hand have jacked up their first phase and tactical games.
That’s seen them all keep games in the balance a lot longer than we’ve seen in other RWCs. It also has Fiji through to the quarters having got revenge for the travesty of their 2019 opener against those jammy shackledraggers. As a side note, the real victim of the early (probably rigged) seeding is Tonga. Put them in Pool D and I reckon they’d have been a solid chance of making the QFs. Given their admin issues they should hold their heads high.
The second subplot has delivered a final round with real meaning to some big games, with 3 pools riding on the results of the games. Japan Argies could be a banger. The Italians have a chance to upset the apple cart and the Scots have their destiny (and the Boks’) in their own hands.
Upset in any one of those games and this comp really comes alive. Unless it’s an upset that dumps the boks out. Then this RWC will be shit.
Could not have said it better
And with more consistent officiating we may have had a few more upsets
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I've probably enjoyed more pool games in this World Cup than all of the others. And NZ Italy aside, I've not had a single iota of alcohol for any of the matches.
There has been some utter dross, with many a pundit trying to big them up, but we've had some really high quality matches.
NZ vs France was one hell of an opener
Wales vs Fiji was superb
Eng vs Argentina was a superb in a completely different way
Ireland vs South Africa was incredibly intense for a pool game (I'm one of the very few who don't wax lyrical about this as a rugby spectacle)
Australia vs Fiji was the best game so far
Wales vs Australia / NZ vs Italy were great watches as one sided drubbings.And we've still got a Ireland Scotland & England Japan to go. As pool matches go, that's seven beauties with 2 strong matches yet to be played.
Off to Lyon in the morning to soak up some atmosphere, looking forward to seeing what it's like on the ground!
Most definitely surprised to the upside on this tournament so far.
Oh, and the draw is shit. 1,2,3,4 due to face each other in the qf's removes any argument against that whatsoever.
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With all the complaining about the unfairness of the draw, its interesting that at the start of the 2015 World Cup, there was ONE GROUP with the 2nd, 4th and 5th ranked teams in the world….Australia, England and Wales…who happen to be on the easier side of the draw this year.
One of whom (England) was the host, and who didn’t make the QF
I don’t remember Scotland giving two shits then
I guess what goes around comes around.
